I think red barring is being taken completely out of proportions and is being used as scapegoat for every death encountered in PvP instead of accepting it. Everyone in the match could be green bar and people will still blame lag. I've Raided with Red Bars and played PvP against Red Bars and everything works fine for the most part. I have witnessed first hand of being a Red Bar playing Destiny at my friends house and it appears to be a major hindrance for the offender as nothing registered for him and still got killed with ease. On my own internet I've been blamed for Lag before. I was absolutely destroying this one guy in Rumble and everyone was green bar. I got the customary hate message and lag was the topic. I obviously remembered this guy because he accounted for nearly 70% of my kills in the match so how could I not forget some of the encounters? The muppet missed the majority of his shots because I strafe and I seen them whizz past me including one of his Rocket Launcher shots without the G&H's perk which hit a wall behind me taking a tiny proportion of my shield as I was just outside the fatal blast radius. Any reason to not admit that they were completely outclassed in a particular instance. Also, there is too much word of mouth from the so called Destiny Youtubers and everyone hops on the bandwagon. They brand pretty much every Red Bar as those unkillable guys who snipe you through 16 walls from one point of the map to the other from your perspective. The uproar over skill based matchmaking was never about the lag and the red bars. It was used as sugarcoating in an attempt to protect precious K/Ds from the possibility of playing against people of a similar level/skill on a regular basis. For example, how would nKuch perform against another nKuch?