You mean like how firebolt grenades weren't a problem until taken king? But when they becane a nuisance I suggest they be toned down. Since you looked at my profile you should've see my emblem. The founders seal. The emblem only beta testers have. I too have been here day 1. Through it all. And I know how hard Titans have had it. That's why I suggested a very small change when I saw how often it's being used now. My first post i made about Shoulder charge I didn't ask for a change but asked Titans to stop abusing it so much or the nerfherders would target them next. Then I saw the nerf posts. And they wanted rediculous changes to the perk. So I tried to make a solution people would agree with before the whole subclass gets destroyed again. I wanted a solution Titans would be happy with. I wanted to negotiate. In return for the small change in shoulder charge, I wanted Titans to pick out something from Warlocks and Hunters that needed balancing. I want us to talk about these things and find something THE MAJORITY agrees on, rather than someone saying "nerf this cuz op!" and having Bungie nerf it in a way that no one would want it nerfed. I mean hell, we just had a WHOLE PERK changed. Granted I'm okay with it but, the perk Viking Funeral is completely gone now. It's still called VF, but it does something brand new now. It was literally nerfed out of existence. I didn't want it to happen to Titans next. My best friend plays Titan. I know the class very well. So I tried to find a very small change to please nerfherders without hurting Titans too much. And come on. -1 Armor? Do you really think it's going to affect you guys that much? You don't need agility do to Titan skating so you could just spec for Armor and Recovery. It wasn't that major of a change! At least what I suggested didn't mess with how Titans perk functioned! Then I have people like you coming in here and telling me I'm a crybaby. I'm really not. The nerfherders were coming either way so Bungie was going to do something. But, rather than having them destroy a perk and make a change out of our control, I wanted us to find common ground with something everyone would be okay with. And other Strikers would be okay with the change! They think it's fair! So I know I'm not asking for much. Why do you hate this idea soooo bad? I just can't wrap my head around it. Tell me why it's not fair or tell me why this would hurt Titans rather than help them. Just don't tell me that the only reason you don't like is because, "Shoulder Charge is fine" and that i am just a "hard scoping cry baby." Obviously Shoulder charge isn't fine if people are complaining so give me a real reason. And remember, in the last patch, after they already nerfed firebolt grenades once, Bungie nerfed them [i]again.[/i] Because they were still "annoying to deal with". Those are their exact words. It was annoying to deal with. Why? It was difficult to counter. Just like Shoulder charge. So give me an actually reason why this isn't a fair change other than the fact that you just don't want it.

Negotiate there is nothing to negotiate you and a handful of baby's are simply crying deal with it why now over 2years it's now a problem once again shut up cry baby's man up deal with it