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Halo 3 Myths Decoded

Hello, I would like to decode some popular Halo myths. Most of these are in some way related to Halo 3, and are all backed with clearly stated and sourced evidence. If you have any arguement or questions, please post it and I will fix it or prove it, but the purpose of this thread is to state the facts as they are. There is little to no speculation here, and all speculation is marked. I will add more myths over time, or take suggestions to edit missteps. If you are only interested in Halo 3 Multiplayer myths, scroll down. Please do not suggest any game myths from other games; as this is the Halo 3 forum, I will only be covering Halo 3. Note: I did not use Halopedia, Halowiki, or any other public knowledge bases in this thread, as such places may be incorrect. All of the statements in this thread are from actual research into Halo canon that I performed, or from watching video footage of the multiplayer. Many of the multiplayer myhts are made possible by Defend the House. [quote]1. The amount of experience you have effects how quickly you rank up in Halo 3 matchmaking.[/quote] False. To put it very simply, the ranking system is based on an average. If you win more games than you lose, you rank up faster. This is why first accounts can be slow because there are a lot of losses to it. second accounts rank up faster because there are less losses impeding the speed. So exp has something to do with it simply because the more games you have played the more likely it is you lost, but exp has no direct effect, so negative exp boosters are wasting time. Also, playlists do not effect each other from what I have personally seen. This is why you rank up faster at lower ranks than higher, because you have less losses at rank 1 than 40. Please note that I have no evidence to support this statement, it is just an observation. Fore a full explanation of the Trueskill rank system, visit the sourced thread, or Microsoft's website. [b][u]Sources:[/u][/b] Halo 3 Rank Explanation Pinned Thread [url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=14414600[/url] [quote]2. Forerunners are humans.[/quote] False. Forerunners discovered primitive humans on earth along with many other species on different planets that they collected and reseeded across the galaxy after the Halo Array was fired. Although physiologically similar, they are separate species. This similarity is probably why Humans are regarded as Reclaimers, the chosen successors of the forerunners. This also explains why the portal to the Ark was on Earth: so that humans would one day use it to "Reclaim" the mantle of the Forerunners. Halo Origins and the Halo Encyclopedia clearly differentiates between Forerunners and Humans, for exapmle, an excerpt from page 171 says: They [ The Forerunners] took vast populations of existing species, including the nascent Human race from Earth, and moved them out of harm's way." Many other examples apply. Note: In this especially interesting [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=36430414]thread[/url], the possibility for Humans being Precursors, the race that was even greater than the Forerunners, is discussed. There is no definitive evidence to support this theory, though it is well founded. However, even if it is true, all of the above information is correct: Humans are not Forerunners, but are the chosen successors to the Forerunners (Reclaimers). Whether or not Humans are Precursors is irrelevant. Congratulations [url=http://www.bungie.net/Account/Profile.aspx?memberID=5506365]Wolverfrog[/url] on this excellent theory. [i]Addendum[/i] This myth is one of the oldest and most contested theories in all of Halo. Halo 3 made it seem almost true with 343 Guitly Spark's quote "You are Foreunner" but this could have a variety of metaphorical meanings. What he really meant by it will never be fulyl understood. [b][u]Sources:[/u][/b] Halo 3, Halo Encyclopedia, notably pages 164-187, Halo Origins [quote]3. The planet Master Chief is heading towards in the Halo 3 Legendary Ending is:[/quote] [u]Reach-[/u] Unlikely, although both appear industrialized, they look different, and Master Chief was probably teleported to random galactic coordinates since he broke off in slipstream, so it's unlikely he'd be anywhere known. Also, you can clearly see markings similar to Forerunner markings, and since it is on the night side, there must be running lights for you to see them. Since Reach was glassed, there should not be any running lights, therefore, proabably not Reach, unless there is time travel, which is highly improbable, though technically possible. [u]Forerunner Planet-[/u] Possible, although impossible to tell which. The planet is obviously industrialized, but that does not necessarily make it Forerunner. It is likely to be a shield world, because it has remained active for 100000 years, and a Forerunner world meant for living would probably have shut down. Also, it is unlikely to be the planet seen in Halo Origins appeared to have only on major symbol viewable on it, and the planet seen in Halo 3 has several. It is also likely that that planet would have shut down. Furthermore, that pleanter has a lot of water on it, and it probable that there are large amounts of ocean on hte other side. In Halo 3 the planet seen seems to have constructs covering most of the surface, so it's safe to assume there is little water. It is also unlikely that it is simply the other side of the planet, because the same world would not be so geographically different in two hemispheres. Finally, if it is a shield world, there is no way to tell if it is Onyx. [u]A Marathon Planet-[/u] Unlikely as it is highly improbable that Halo and Marathon take place in the same Universe. See Myth #8. To sum that up, there is NO definitive evidence as to what the planet is. Specualtion is open, but the only provable fact is that nothing is provable. [b][u]Sources:[/b][/u] Fall of Reach, Ghosts of Onyx, Halo 3, Halo Origins, Myth #8 [quote]4. The Forerunner Planet in Halo Origins is the Forerunner home world.[/quote] Possible, although it may simply be the first planet that that Flood struck, called G617g. It is the only definite Forerunner planet ever to be seen from space in Halo. There is no evidence to point it towards being a specific planet, nor is there even evidnce that it is even G617g. It's just a planet. For now, we just know that it existed and was attacked by the Flood. [b][u]Sources: Halo Origins, Halo Encyclopedia page 168[/u][/b] [quote]5. The Gravemind is the same one that existed during the time of the Forerunners.[/quote] False. Although Gravemind hints at this, it is likely that he is speaking of the Flood species as a whole since they are hive-minded and regard themselves as a singel entity, and may also be speaking of his memories. It is possible that the Flood species retain the genetic memories of their ancestors, allowing Graveminds to grow on the knowledge of their predecessors. The most definitive evidence that Gravemind did not survive is 1. The Array would have killed him, unless the Foreunners protected him liek other species. 2. The Flood can be seen building Proto-Graveminds, which as far as we know is because there is no Gravemind present already. 3. The Halo Encyclopedia page 176 reads: "The Installations's Monitor, 2401 Penitent Tangent, did its best to contro lthe situation, but could not contain the Flood. Tangent himself was captured and held prisoner by a newly formed Gravemind for many years..." 4. Page 159 reads: "The Gravemind assumes a centralized sentient intelligience that is believed to lead the general Flood species through sybiotic or telepathic means....It also appears to hold all of the Flood's memories, even those of individual organisms and of all previous Graveminds. It is fully capable of directing the overall Flood species and of manipulating others to do its bidding." 5. Page 160 reads: Theoretically, there can only be one Gravemind at a time, so if one is killed another may form shorter thereafter if the Flood retains sufficient biomass. It appears that one existed over one hundred thousand years ago but was destroyed by the first firing of the Halo Array. Another was recreated afterwards in the depths of Installation 05. Upon its release, it showed remarkable understanding of Foreunner technology, even going so far as to capture the resident Monitor, 2401 Penitent Tangent, manipulating the installation's teleportation system, and understanding the purpose and intracacies of the Halo Installations." Clearly, Gravemind may be the same entity that existed 100000 years ago, but not the same physical body. [b][u]Sources:[/u][/b] Halo Wars, Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Origins, Halo Limited Edition Book, Halo Encyclopedia, notably pages 152-161 [i]See below for more myths[/i] [Edited on 04.29.2010 1:55 PM PDT]
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  • I am happy to present a new myth, #16- First Shields? Any questions on myths or suggestions/requests are welcome.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jose291 Nice facts, very interesting.[/quote] Agreed.
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  • Wow, i think you the Albert Einstein of Halo. Good facts
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Codmando94 Thanks for awnsering that. Cant wait for future myths that people will put out or Reach will cause.[/quote] Ah your welcome. We can only wait and see. Sorry I havent added new stuff in awhile.
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  • Thanks for awnsering that. Cant wait for future myths that people will put out or Reach will cause.
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  • Ok, I have meticulously responded to some posts, and will post some myths that were unanswered in here, I dont even remeber what it was so scroll down to find out with me. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] disconect Verry nice deduction of all those storys,For the H3 end , i hope he is headind on Reach .[/quote] I will be. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] malone alone Can you add easter eggs please?[/quote] Technically not myths, but maybe one day. And there are lots. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Codmando94 Nice facts really enjoyed the read since im a halo junky. My question is how did the spirit of fire go MIA if after the events it was to return to earth. Or did it complete its mission go on a new one and then go MIA.[/quote] Well, its MIA because it is so far from Earth where it was that it will take many years to return. It would not if they still had their hyperdrive, but they detoneated it to destroy the shield world. Traveling at sublight means they have not even arrived during Halo 3, if they ever do at all. thats y its MIA, it is lost to the everyone else. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Disparil Cool Thread I didn't read all of it but its very interesting. What ever happened to the secret of sandtrap farce? Do us all a favour and include that as busted would ya?[/quote] k. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Masterchief9095 *plz post a myth reply to this* 1)why do grunts,hunters,drones,and jackals not get infected? 2)how does SPARTAN-IIs not die and the same with the arbiter? 3)what covenant species started the covenant? 4)what does a elite female look like?[/quote] 1) They do get infected, they just dont become combat forms. Nothing except microscopic life it immune to the flood, because biomass they can collect is used, and spores infect anything their spikes can enter. All the materials in these creatures are used for other things, sucha as buildign gravemind or carrier forms. AS for hunters, they cant be infected because they are composed of a colony of 3 foot worms acting as one organism, so there is no central body to assimilate. Likely, the worms are just used for biomass like I mentioned before. 2) Spartan II's do die, they are jsut hard to kill, and are always listed as MIA to boost morale. The Arbiter can die, thats pretty much his whole purpose, and if your just talking abiut why the Arbiter Thel Vadam in the game doesnt die, its because he is badass, like Johnson. 3) The Prophets (San' Shyuum) Started the Covanent when they conquered the Elites (Sangheili) over a religious arguement. 4) Female looks the same as the male I believe, although I dont believe one is ever seen anywhere. I doubt they have breasts, as usually only mammals have those, and Elites appear saurian. I wouldnt be surprised if they laid eggs. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shruikan998 I believe the point that charles is attempting to make to you mero, is characterized, at least in close context by one of my favorite sherlock holmes quotes of all time. "When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how IMPROBABLE must be the truth" The impossible, is that it is absolutely 100% for certain that Forge is dead. Yes, there is that 99.99% chance and considerable evidence weighed in favor of the idea, there is still the .01% possibility that Forge is alive. Either due to some Unseen forerunner, or otherwise, preemptive intervention. For All we know, stating quite bluntly here, A divine entity placed their hand inside that supernova at the last possible millisecond and plucked Forge into some alternate dimension. Whoop dee doo, he's alive. I however, believe that he is dead.[/quote] uhh, yea, that about covers it. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Scarecrow118 Have you heard the case of Schrodinger's Cat?? According to quantum physics any and all possibilities can exist at once until they are proven wrong and/or disqualified. Google it. I hear what you are saying, because even though it is highly unlike, nigh on impossible that he survived, there is still the [i]possibility[/i] that he survived. [/quote] I dont know what the crap Schrodinger's Cat is, but thats preety much my point without the quantum physics, unless we are talking about FTL drives. Jeez that was alot of stuff. Oh, heres a follow up to another post: [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Scarecrow118 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Codmando94 Nice facts really enjoyed the read since im a halo junky. My question is how did the spirit of fire go MIA if after the events it was to return to earth. Or did it complete its mission go on a new one and then go MIA.[/quote] Nope. The amount of empty space between planets and solar systems is simply vast. With the Spirit of Fire stuck halfway across the galaxy without an FTL drive, it could take hundreds of years for them to make it back, even thousands. Just imagine going to sleep, and then waking up 10 000 years later to find that everything you know and believed in was gone.[/quote] [Edited on 02.25.2010 12:59 PM PST]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Codmando94 Nice facts really enjoyed the read since im a halo junky. My question is how did the spirit of fire go MIA if after the events it was to return to earth. Or did it complete its mission go on a new one and then go MIA.[/quote] Nope. The amount of empty space between planets and solar systems is simply vast. With the Spirit of Fire stuck halfway across the galaxy without an FTL drive, it could take hundreds of years for them to make it back, even thousands. Just imagine going to sleep, and then waking up 10 000 years later to find that everything you know and believed in was gone.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Charles128 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mero90 No, i'm sorry, but there is no fact supporting his survival. All fact points in the opposite direction, that he died detonating the FTL Drive. It's like that stupid theory that Forge is S117, no actual supporting fact, only gross assumption.[/quote] Nor is there fact supporting his death, only possibility, even if very high. The truth is, we do not know ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that he is dead. 1. He is alive - cant be proven. 2. He is dead - cant be proven. Therefore, we must accept all possibilities and just that, possible, unless evidence that confirms his death appears. [/quote] Have you heard the case of Schrodinger's Cat?? According to quantum physics any and all possibilities can exist at once until they are proven wrong and/or disqualified. Google it. I hear what you are saying, because even though it is highly unlike, nigh on impossible that he survived, there is still the [i]possibility[/i] that he survived.
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  • I believe the point that charles is attempting to make to you mero, is characterized, at least in close context by one of my favorite sherlock holmes quotes of all time. "When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how IMPROBABLE must be the truth" The impossible, is that it is absolutely 100% for certain that Forge is dead. Yes, there is that 99.99% chance and considerable evidence weighed in favor of the idea, there is still the .01% possibility that Forge is alive. Either due to some Unseen forerunner, or otherwise, preemptive intervention. For All we know, stating quite bluntly here, A divine entity placed their hand inside that supernova at the last possible millisecond and plucked Forge into some alternate dimension. Whoop dee doo, he's alive. I however, believe that he is dead.
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Masterchief9095 *plz post a myth reply to this* 1)why do grunts,hunters,drones,and jackals not get infected? 2)how does SPARTAN-IIs not die and the same with the arbiter? 3)what covenant species started the covenant? 4)what does a elite female look like?[/quote] 1. Because they're either too small (grunt and drone) and the Jackal doesn't have enough calcium for them while a hunter is actually thousands of living beings. Not one 2. SPARTANS-II do die. They say that too boost up the morale of the fellow marines. 3. It was the Prophets and the Elites. Elites had ground strength while the prophets had air strength and the forerunner ship (cant remember name) and forced the Elites to surrender. 4. They look the same.
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  • Cool Thread I didn't read all of it but its very interesting. What ever happened to the secret of sandtrap farce? Do us all a favour and include that as busted would ya?
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  • LOL next time some n00b shoots a rocket halfway across the pit at me im sniping it
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  • Very well thought out! Nicely done indeed. I will bookmark this thread. Hope Bungie sees your thread. You've done your research. :) [Edited on 02.17.2010 6:39 PM PST]
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  • Great work!
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  • *plz post a myth reply to this* 1)why do grunts,hunters,drones,and jackals not get infected? 2)how does SPARTAN-IIs not die and the same with the arbiter? 3)what covenant species started the covenant? 4)what does a elite female look like?
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  • Nice facts really enjoyed the read since im a halo junky. My question is how did the spirit of fire go MIA if after the events it was to return to earth. Or did it complete its mission go on a new one and then go MIA.
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  • Can you add easter eggs please?
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  • Verry nice deduction of all those storys,For the H3 end , i hope he is headind on Reach .
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  • Thanks for the Mythbusting.
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  • Thank you, that would be really cool, but I just want to enlighten people about the truths in Halo and get rid of all the theoris and myths people take as fact
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  • Nice work this topic should be pinned.
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  • Nice work charles, this needs to be pinned.
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  • Thank you, glad I could help. New Myth: The Last Spartan? New Myth: The Forerunners not extinct New Myth: The Halo Array New Myth: The Covanent Everything has been heavily updated. [Edited on 01.27.2010 6:41 PM PST]
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  • Wow this post really helped me out i have played every halo game and im still confused thanks charles for the story myths!
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] youral0ser One time my own rocket was pushed off course by a frag and i walked into it and it went right through me.[/quote] Well, we can probably assume then that rockets fired by you passs through you no matter what, but we cant confirm this unless you have a video. Also, do you think it would matter whose genade deflected it?
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  • One time my own rocket was pushed off course by a frag and i walked into it and it went right through me.
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