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2/10/2016 2:31:55 PM
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You people are ridiculous.
Whatever your opinions on the game are - you had a choice to buy it or not. You had a choice to buy the DLC's or not.
They literally try and get feedback on why some people stopped playing or are not enjoying it, and somehow that makes it even worse in your eyes?
That post is written by a manchild for sure.
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Edited by General_Skyy: 2/11/2016 12:10:44 AMThey can viably institute every single one of those changes. I work in tech and programming. Also, I have dabbled in game design and engine design. You'll find that most of the posters, since they are gamers and passionate about their gaming experience, are tech oriented and have a technology background. Not a lot of the items have been addressed. I want to agree with you as I still love the game for what it is, but I, like a lot of the folks posting, want to love it for what it could be. There should not be one person saying in this post that they rather go to The Division over Destiny. They are two different games. Ones a war game the other a space odyssey. Destiny has the potential to be the best space odyssey in the world, but can't get there without a little help. Ultimately if its people they need for content then hire more for your teams or redirect resources. Activision, the parent company, has plenty of resources to do this.
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Sure, every game designer can likely implement every request from their community (with in reason). But that isn't the restraint. Capability is rarely the restraint in any business model. Cost efficiency, return on investment, and timelines more often than not are. But none of that is the point. The point is there is a way to effectively communicate, and a way to whine. I feel the whining is ridiculous around here, and the more people that "celebrate" in the culture of complaining, the worst things are overall.
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Edited by General_Skyy: 2/11/2016 12:26:53 AMI totally agree with you, but understand that not everyone is as calm and collected as you. The loudest most frustrated are the ones who most likely take to forums in a last ditch effort so to speak. The one's who are calm usually could care less to voice their opinion as they more then likely feel they have better things to do. Raging is a way of coping for a lot of people. If people don't see a return on their good constructive behavior then they behave in unpredictable ways. Positive reinforcement goes along way. Cost efficiency and ROI are great concepts that are they center point of most business discussions but none of that matters if results don't come out of the productivity models they so rightfully have manufactured.
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Hmmm... That's the first rational argument i've heard for scathing sarcasm as a viable criticism... I don't have a sound argument against it.
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how is this different than what i said, waaaaaay earlier in this thread? you just had an agenda and stuck to it. your reasoning became less sound the more you engaged. you should have packed up and quit before the hate train turned itself on you. dont be a fool and put yourself between hungry dogs and dangled meat. lesson learned?
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Edited by munkt0r: 2/11/2016 2:53:19 PMNo, because wolves care not for the bleating of sheep. I have no "agenda" At this point i'm just enjoying the discourse. But I honestly have read and replied to too much to remember what it was you said. At the point and time I read General's post I felt he made a good argument. So I either misunderstood what you said, or disagreed. Either way, no "agenda" and no care of the proverbial "hate-train". I know nothing I say will change people's views and i'm not concerned with much other than having discourse ultimately. My reasoning has been this entire time very simple: "Epic burns are counter-productive to facilitating positive change" That's it. *EDIT* I just searched for the reply you're referencing...notice how I replied to it "fair enough, I can see your point, I agree to an extent". That's me being a reasonable human being trying to have discourse with another and seeing some of their points while not agreeing wholly...
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yeah, but you kept arguing other people... i was seriously trying to explain something that you didnt seem to understand. i was just trying to revive you man, and you just stood there, letting them RES snipe you.
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haha, nice analogy. I'm not really arguing, i'm moreso just replying to people's views with my views. The only argument i've made truly is that "epic burns" are counter-productive to positive change. If you'd like to argue that, feel free. Otherwise i'm just replying to some nonsense and occasionally a well thought out view. I don't hate anyone, nor am I butt-hurt/salty. I do find some of the logic being employed here to be ridiculous though. If a person gets emotionally invested in a videogame, that's on them =)
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i agree. that you are more emotionally invested in Bungie the developers is what is pissing people off. You are trying to speak for them, when they dont even speak for themselves. you make good points, but they aren't strong enough to overcome what is really going on here. whats really going on here is that people love this game. sometimes love is dirty. good day to you, sir. :)
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I like my love dirty sometimes too.
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"Whatever your opinions on the game are - you had a choice to buy it or not. You had a choice to buy the DLC's or not." We also have the choice to voice our displeasure or not.
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Correct, never did I say people couldn't. I'm merely trying to encourage constructive criticism as such is actually more likely to be heard in place of "epic burns" and childish rants.
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It's because they never listen you dickriding -blam!-.
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And why would they if that's how you conduct yourself?
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Most people that bought this game were sold a continually evolving experience that included both PvE and PvP and would be supported for a number of years, however when that game stops evolving and is turned into a sweaty PvP game with little to no support for PvE, you can understand why people might feel like they have been sold up the river...
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It's been 5 months since TTK dude. Let's not act like they haven't put out any PVE content since the game released
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You're wasting your time trying to explain this. If he had any idea what he was talking about, you wouldn't need to hold his hand and show him
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Yes, I can. That isn't the point though, but yes I can understand people being frustrated. I'm not confused when a child asks mommy in the store for a particular toy that she refuses to buy and he breaks down into a tantrum. I'm really not, I get it perfectly. But now if the kid turned to his mother and said, "I feel this purchase here and now would go a long way to show you support my wishes and wants and potentially we could create an arrangement in which I am allotted a certain # of toy purchases that aligns better with your current disposable income thus alleviating future disagreements between us". His mother might actually consider the approach. Obviously this is an analogous way of referencing mature discourse as a means to be better heard vs "epic burns" or tantrums. Trust, this forum has proven to not be short on either (burns/tantrums) - but a bit more intelligent discourse could likely go a long way. I hope i've better illustrated my point.
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Here's the thing. I'm sure if Bungie was to respond even to this post saying, "munkt0r, You hit the nail on the head!" then people would be more constructive and less frustrated. Shoot I would bet if they gave a timetable of all the things that are in development people would be satisfied, but they don't. They need more communication. I remember reading long, and I mean long posts from Ghostcrawler about the changes in World of Warcraft and its future. We know about the next release and what it has to offer almost a year in advanced. The reason that I highlight World of Warcraft is because it will probably go down as one of the best MMOs in history. It set a lot of standard for other MMOs to follow as well as borrowing from other successful MMOs. I can complete the main story missions in about 14 hrs of gameplay Including TTK. That is really a punch in the stomach.
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Edited by Elephant Head Saphy: 2/10/2016 8:30:29 PMHear is the huge problem with that. People have tried to give good feedback to Bungie but they are continuously ignored. The only thing that Bungie seems to listen to is PvP players bitching about weapons that are "OP" in the crucible.
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So what you're saying is not a single bit of PVE player feedback has ever been heard and zero fixes/patches/updates have been put in place by Bungie to address such? Ok, i'm done. Have fun guys.
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You mean them fixing stuff that was broke. What improvements in PvE have been added that wasn't a part of Dlc that was cut from the original game.
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That would take me a good amount of time to compile, but off the top of my head... - Voice chat for matchmade teams that can be toggled on/off - Infusion system to allow more items to be carried forward - Improved vault space/categorization - Means to trade old raid specific materials into glimmer/motes - Turning in bounties without being in the tower - App interactivity to access vault from orbit or in mission - Kiosks for storage of previously acquired gear/emblems/shaders/ships - Means to allow for faction gains without wearing faction specific items - No more going back to orbit after loss in a nightfall - Purchase of weapon parts in tower instead of only via deconstruction - Engram RNG refinement (purps no longer turn into blues)
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Edited by General_Skyy: 2/10/2016 11:42:23 PMYou managed to list 11 things in 17 months of post development. Do you know how much a human baby can learn in that time frame? Just one baby.... And while my analogy is kind of off subject... They have an entire team, and millions of customers giving them 10s of thousands of ideas and fixes. But you went with the 11.... That's right only 11... And I hardly consider shaders and emblems changes. I am talking broken mechanics of the game type fixes.
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To be fair it was just things off the top of my head...and not including technical fixes, just upgrades.
