It was not changed back just within days. it took more than just a few days for the them to change it and even then it was no fully changed back. the purpose o forums is two fold. one they are used to gather idea about what may or may not be good for future games. and to gauge teh reactions of players to the current game. secondly they are used to allow players to vent, for sometimes in venting some useful ideas do come about though not all of them are implemented in the time frame or will be implemented in the time frame players erroneously expect and demand at times. There is no bad feedback or negative feedback. all feedback is good and has a use in some manner or another. the feedback section is a free brainstorming section where players give idea's and suggestions and complaints and then the company gets to choose which is used later for free..since do not have to pay the forum member for coming up with the idea at all. The issue is when players like the op come and think their feedback is important above anyone eles because of how drama filled they make it. when no it is not and never was or ever will be.

Well, i disagree on two fronts, i don't think OP was drama filled, if anything he gave a lot of credit to Destiny as do I as a "semi-retired" Destiny player. On the second front, i think informing a company they are losing a customer and why is very important information, don't you??

The OP WAS full of Drama. Not nearly as important as you think. They fully know and accept that people will leave over time because of either burn out or not liking certain changes made. They are not ever going to cater this game to just one player ever to try and get them to stay. NO game ever made has ever kept all of its players .NO game ever made will either. This is a fact and developers understand and accept this fact. they know people leave all the time, they know most of the common reasons to for they have been said numerous times already. And no they are not going to change the game to suit that player ever. The game was not ever made just for one player or one group of players or to be catered to one player or group of players ever. Any single player coming here thinking that their view and feelings and opinions matters more or should matter more is a fool and an idiot for it ill never be that way in this or any game with lots of players in it.

I disagree but that's my opinion. Where you are categorically incorrect is that Bungie do send emails to certain players asking them why they are not logging in as frequently or at all (see link). So if they do not give a shit about a single persons opinion why are they singling out certain players to send emails inquiring as to why they are no longer playing? The thing is, it would appear that Destiny players are leaving in droves mostly for common problems that OP mentioned. You would have a point if it was only a handful of people with differing reasons for walking away but that is not the case, it is a HUGE amount of the player base all for, by and large, the same reasons. If Bungie go by your logic and brush this aside as if it were only a tiny minority of the player base then they have a real problem on their hands. I don't think that will happen though, as i don't think Bungie are that stupid.

Ah the emails you misunderstand those.. those are information gathering.. not a real caring if that player comes back or not.. they are looking for issues and possible other idea's to implement later in the game or the next game; it is a common development and marketing tactic used by companies. It is a random polling, not a "we need and miss you, please come back", it does not really mean they care about that singular person more than someone else. The huge amount is no different than the huge amounts of players that left CoD/BF/Gears when changes were made that they did not like. It is the standard ebb and flow of fps games. Every game does go through this. These so called large droves are a small amount of the players of this game, these forums and everyone on them make a minority of the game player base of the game. Not a large impact by any means. Even if every person on these forums left it still would not be a major impact on the game overall. They are not stupid they know that large groups will leave over time when they will not be catered too, they understand this. for it has happened before in past games.

So when they send those surveys out, just so I understand, they don't really mean "give us your feedback" what they actually mean is "please fill this out but don't expect any changes because we don't give a shit"? I just don't understand this business ethic that you are trying to put across. I work for an automotive brand that is in the top 50 brands world wide. If we were inundated with the same complaint and our response was "f**k you, wait until the new model comes out" (the business practice you seem to believe Bungie swears by) then we would be out of business in a heart beat and I cant see how this would be any different when applied to a games studio?? I am sure you will explain though.

The only real part of the feedback they care about are possible idea's to use for free. since any idea anyone gives is given freely at that point. they are polling players for new idea's to use later or in next game. feedback is free brainstorming for new idea's. they wont and cannot admit this because of the pr nightmare it would cause with everyone that would get their panties in an uproar over this. The Customer Is Not Always Right. A fact that most consumers cannot accept because they were always told they were when no they are not. so any time any company does not give in the lash out trying to force that company to do as they want, how they want, why they want, when they want, because they want. and in video games that does not always work. video games are nothing like automotive the business is very different. the reasons behind actions and drive of the company is different in nature. Not all business work the same way. video games are cheap compared to car's they know this so they know people with enough disposable income do not really care so much about things all the time. this game was made for that player, the casual the player that does not care about how they spend their money. so they know they can displease some and not have to worry. There are always new players to be gained over time. So each individual player is not as important to the whole of the game as those players like to think they are. they are not nearly as worried as Ford would be about keeping every customer happy all the time. They know they cannot ever do this. It is not possible ever in video games. Nor are they going to waste the time and money to do so ever either no matter if any players thinks they should. They cannot tailor the game expressly to each separate player like a car can be done for each buyer it is not possible to be done with video games where more than one player is in the game at any point in time. they cannot just balance or tailor the experience to that one player ever. Not even in sandboxed games can that be done. It would cost too much time and money to tailor the game to each and every person's view of how the game should be or let them play. Plus it would be impossible to balance at that point.

Jesus, what are you blathering on about mate?? You win, i give up. You are right, I and everyone else that disagrees with you on this post (pretty much everyone) is wrong. Please tell me you wont be playing the Division, i don't think i could go through with this again on that forum??

Not blathering stating the truth, something most gamers cannot handle or accept for is not what they want to learn about how video games work. I doubt it. Have seen enough of that game to know would not really care for it with the stupid pk/darkzone it has.

Thank god for that!!! So you played The Division beta then??

Did not need to play it watched enough of YT to know would be terrible to begin with. Any game that allows PK so easily in a pve place like runescape did is just terrible. pk should be kept to pvp which should be separate from pve at all times.

So you have watched YouTube (other peoples opinions) and thats enough for you write off a possible game of the year? How can you be so opinionated on something you haven't experienced for yourself and why do you have to come across as a know it all in every post you make?? I could understand if you didn't want to risk chucking $60 at something you were unsure of but there is an open beta?? Please don't play it though, you have clearly already had someone else decide for you that you wont like this game so whether you play it or not/like it or not you will only use it as ammo to come back here to say "I told you it was shit"

I watched the game play I did not listen to them and what they said. I do not listen to stupid yt vids about games. I only watch them for the actual game play and then decide on my own. possible game of the year? LOL I seriously doubt that at all. possible worst game of the year? YEP. I do not have to play something to actually form or have an opinion about it ever. I can form such opinion based upon information provided by other means. and no does not need to be spoken reviews either. No one decided anything for me about any game ever. I make all my own choices. I never listen to yt vids about games if to buy or not and never will. I watch and judge based upon seen game play, not comments made by the yt vid maker. only idiots listen to what yt vid users say about a game ever. It is shit, there has been numerous posts on here by other people that have played and and said so. there are plenty of other vids out there that say it is. I do not have to play a game to know I wont like it. any game that allows open world pk is shit plain and simple. pvp should be pvp only no open world pk for that just allows players to troll everyone and get away with it and that makes a game shit.

So you are saying you don't have to actually experience something in order to form an objective opinion on it?? So, if you were going to buy a car you would just watch someone else drive it online as opposed to taking a test drive yourself? Whether you watch or listen to other people playing a game you are still basing your opinion on someone else's experience, not your own, so by definition its not "your" opinion. Just listen to what you are saying (typing), its the ramblings of a mad man!! That's what the open beta is all about, a test drive for the Division and if you are too pig headed to give it a crack at no cost to you then this attitude should make it clear to anyone that your opinion is totally invalid, about anything!! There are numerous posts on this site that say Destiny is shit but you still play that, presumably? Your lack of understanding on how the PvP elements of the division works is astounding, you might want to go and waste some more bandwidth watching YT videos on the subject. You cant troll "everyone" you can only do that in the PvP areas of the map that you do NOT have to participate in, same as you do not have to play in the crucible if that is not your thing. It isn't your same old washed up team death match or capture the flag that every single shooter seems to emulate for cater for the sheep that play these type of games, its a new concept. As for your "worst game of the year" comment, certified troll bullshit!!!