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12/2/2015 11:34:13 AM
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I think Datto (and by extension the "hardcore" community) is being terribly myopic. It's as a result of the circles they stomp in, they play destiny for an exorbitant amount of time, they have a reliable Fireteam and are pretty much burnt out on Destiny.
However, it is not the responsibility of destiny nor its developers to tailor make an encounter to cater to the absolutely minute percentage of the population they represent.
Now he's on Twitter whining about why should the hardcore community care about the casual community and not vice versa (i kid you not) and let the hardcore community have one thing. They do have a thing, it's called kings fall. I remember when the raid launched and for hours these streamers and youtubers failed to even stagger Oryx, the only reason why they're breezing through the content now is the gear they rock and the experience of running the raid over and over since then. Check the global statistics for the "long live the king" trophy for some perspective, I'll wait.
Destiny was never marketed as a hardcore game, that's not its primary audience. Challenge mode was never marketed as an insane spike in difficulty, as a matter of fact it was clearly stated as a specific way to do the encounter, if not, the encounter can be completed normally.
This foolishness of "destiny should kick my ass more because I've achieved the pve skill (loosely used) ceiling" has to end. You can follow the footsteps of Sean Gallagher and beat Crota by all manner of madness. Go play Bloodborne and when you find out you suck at it, run back to your crutch Fireteam and act like you're top dog. You're not fooling anyone.
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I do not agree that challenge mode should be built for the casuals. Just like other pve content in other games, there is usually several difficulty levels. The highest difficulty level on most games can't be beat by casuals, it's for the skilled and shows just how good you are. This challenge mode should have been made to be a mark of prestige among the community, not the participation trophy that it turned out to be for us regular raiders :/ Bungie should have made challenge mode a third option when choosing difficulties, not put on both. It shouldn't have been something people were forced into. By this way people would still be able to get there 320 gear from hard mode and those of us that wanted that extra gear or emblem or (hopefully) secret exotic would have something to show for what we accomplished. I also can't stand how people keep talking about the one percent, the one percent...the last I checked (awhile ago) that comes off of registered players which was at like 20 million (idk if it's more now)...well 1% is still 200,000 players! I've seen others say 2-5% have done hard mode so that's what 400,000 to 1,000,000 players that have been left dissatisfied?
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[quote]Destiny was never marketed as a hardcore game, that's not its primary audience.[/quote] Incorrect. The game was deceivingly marketed as a challenging PvE game. Check your facts next time, will you?
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The demographic that Datto, most Youtubers and the most hardcore players represent is indeed a minority. But communities can only thrive by promoting inclusion. Destiny is no different. If Bungie is to fulfill their ten year vision for Destiny, they need to pull off a balancing act. On the one hand, they desperately need to attract new people to expand the player base, infuse it with much needed new blood and generate revenues. On the other hand, they also need to keep veterans engaged and evangelizing the game to the masses. While King's Fall is definitely endgame content, Datto is right to be disappointed by the missed opportunity Challenge Mode represents. It required little in the way of content creation (it's just repurposing existing assets!) and could have provided nearly limitless weekly goals to achieve for the pinnacle of the player base. As it stands, it's just a last minute add-on that barely stretches the effective lifespan of an already aging raid on life-support.
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All those YouTube guys are nerds and bums... With out the casual players, there would be no game for the hardcore player.
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Not on PS but I picked up Dark Souls 2 when it was $20 on the marketplace and haven't played Destiny in a week
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Well said.
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Indeed
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[quote]I think Datto (and by extension the "hardcore" community) is being terribly myopic. It's as a result of the circles they stomp in, they play destiny for an exorbitant amount of time, they have a reliable Fireteam and are pretty much burnt out on Destiny. However, it is not the responsibility of destiny nor its developers to tailor make an encounter to cater to the absolutely minute percentage of the population they represent. Now he's on Twitter whining about why should the hardcore community care about the casual community and not vice versa (i kid you not) and let the hardcore community have one thing. They do have a thing, it's called kings fall. I remember when the raid launched and for hours these streamers and youtubers failed to even stagger Oryx, the only reason why they're breezing through the content now is the gear they rock and the experience of running the raid over and over since then. Check the global statistics for the "long live the king" trophy for some perspective, I'll wait. Destiny was never marketed as a hardcore game, that's not its primary audience. Challenge mode was never marketed as an insane spike in difficulty, as a matter of fact it was clearly stated as a specific way to do the encounter, if not, the encounter can be completed normally. This foolishness of "destiny should kick my ass more because I've achieved the pve skill (loosely used) ceiling" has to end. You can follow the footsteps of Sean Gallagher and beat Crota by all manner of madness. Go play Bloodborne and when you find out you suck at it, run back to your crutch Fireteam and act like you're top dog. You're not fooling anyone.[/quote] I have grinded that raid and got pooped on so much. ThAnks for the easy win and gear
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Challenge mode is for hardcore players and experienced raiders who have beaten KF numerous times. The fact that the "Challenge" ended up being the same way we usually defeat the War Priest is absolutely pathetic. No thought went in to the mechanics and the only good thing about it is the guaranteed loot. Other than the loot, Challenge mode was a huge letdown. (So far)
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What did you expect? Did you want the WarPriest flying around like a wizard? For the most part the game mechanics are not going to change that much.
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Also yes, the warpriest flying around like a wizard would have beem awesome
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Watch dattos video, he lists a million ways it could have been more challenging. Im not the only one who feels this way.
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[quote]Challenge mode is for hardcore players and experienced raiders who have beaten KF numerous times. The fact that the "Challenge" ended up being the same way we usually defeat the War Priest is absolutely pathetic. No thought went in to the mechanics and the only good thing about it is the guaranteed loot. Other than the loot, Challenge mode was a huge letdown. (So far)[/quote] No it's not. Never was that stated anywhere. Its a challenge to complete it a certain way, it just so happens to be the way we did it
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Im sure it appeals to mediocre players such as yourself, but the experienced players would like a solid challenge from time to time. And if thats to confusing, you should look up the definition of "Challenge" and ask yourself if that lackluster excuse of a "Challenge" is actually challenging. [spoiler]Its not[/spoiler]
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[quote]Im sure it appeals to mediocre players such as yourself[/quote] Says the kid with two hunters......
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Wtf does that even mean you idiot?? Lol you have a hunter too, literally makes no sense and had no bearing on what we are talking about. I'm a competitive player that just so happens to not like titans. Ffs smh
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You acting like your a hardcore gamer and your better than most when you can't even run one of each class. Yes it's your game do what you please but you acting like your better than than ppl is hilarious and your failed attempt to belittle people by name calling only proves to me that your a child and you should working on a lot more than a video game.
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You are hilarious, all you do is make false accusation based on nothing more than your own misguided hypocritical opinions. You call me a child as if that isn't belittling, and you know nothing about me. I had a titan from day one till ttk came out, not a fan. I am better than you, stats dont lie bud. Why don't you pick on someone else or at least give an opinion on the subject at hand, otherwise you're just wasting your and my time. People like you are just sad, you have nothing to do but try and put me down and then claim i need to spend my time more wisely. Which is funny because we clearly are playing the same game with similar leveled charecters, the only difference is that i am better than you and you cant accept it.
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lol are you done throwing your temper tantrum yet?
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Haha you're so clever. No comeback whatsoever. Hey wrecked noob
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Obviously i played a titan, i deleted it once ttk came out because i simply do not like titans. Next time i play a game ill ask for your opinion on how i should play, sound good pumpkin? And youre dping exactly what youre claiming im doing! Youre a hypocrite. Above all you havent said a thing about the tipic at hand, youre nothing but a bad troll and a bully. Oh and btw [spoiler]im better than you <3[/spoiler]
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[quote]Im sure it appeals to mediocre players such as yourself, but the experienced players would like a solid challenge from time to time. And if thats to confusing, you should look up the definition of "Challenge" and ask yourself if that lackluster excuse of a "Challenge" is actually challenging. [spoiler]Its not[/spoiler][/quote] Mediocre? Yes making idiotic unbacked busts such a rebuttal
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You have 2 leveled charecters, only 1 above 310. Yes, to me you are a mediocre player. I wont bring up your KD because its just as irrelevant. Im going on facts, you're not even stating an accurate or factual opinion. To say Challenge mode wasnt supposed to be challenging is pure idiocy.
