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Humanity are not Forerunners, but in fact Precursors? [Update 2.0]

All throughout the Halo trilogy, we have been led to believe there is a connection between the Forerunners and Humanity. For example, Halo can only be fired by a human, 343 Guilty Spark recognises humanity as "Reclaimers," naming the Covenant as 'Meddlers.' The terminals also imply a deep connection. Now, many have speculated that Forerunners are humans, yet more advanced. Some believe that Forerunners adopted us as their heirs. There are a fair few crazy theories out there, most, if not all, basically stating that humans are in some way descended from Forerunners. Now I approach you with a different outlook. What if humanity were not descended from the Forerunners, but what if they were, in fact, the fabled Precursors' last legacy? First, I'll dismiss the argument that 343 Guilty Spark says "You are Forerunner," to John-117 by saying this - Spark has always been confused, in Combat Evolved, he believed you were the Forerunner who activated Halo the first time around. In the Bestarium, it makes mention that all of Spark's observations are 'Under Investigation', whereas Tangent's (Monitor of Installation 05) observations are all confirmed. Now I know what you're thinking: "Wolverfrog, you nutter! They can't be precursors, that's impossible!" But is it really? Let's start by taking a look at what the word 'Reclaimer' really means. To recover, to reclaim what was once yours. Now I don't see why the Forerunners would attribute humanity with such a term, it wouldn't make sense if humans are supposed to be the adopted race of the Forerunners. However, assuming hypothetically that humanity are in fact the last remnant of the Precursors, it would make sense. A safe thing to assume would be that Forerunner technology is based off Precursor technology, much in the same way that the Covenant base their technology off the Forerunners. Now if that is the case, then it would make sense that the Forerunners would name the humans 'Reclaimer', to inherit, and regain all that they lost. In the terminals, the Librarian, love of the Didact, refers to Earth as Eden, and a place of wonder. Iris, the Halo 3 ARG, also has a little to say on this. [quote][i]The anomalous world is in a perilous location beyond the line. The secrets it holds must be preserved, plans within plans within plans. [b]The inhabitants; these unique denizens, must be researched. They may hold answers to our own mysteries[/b]. What irony that we discovered this treasure, only at the end of things. But what fortune that we still had time to save them. The thing we built on that world will vouchsafe their lives, but perhaps one day it will be used for its intended purpose. If the plan succeeds, and they are saved, it will be a good world. If the plan fails, and the adversary succeeds, it will remain an enigma forever with no one left to reclaim it. [/i][/quote] Now you see, it is talking about Earth, and the 'unique denizens' are humanity. It leaves you with the questions, why must we be researched? What answers can we give to the Forerunners? Surely simply being chosen by the Forerunners to carry on their work in the event that they perish does not grant us this amount of awe? I believe that Earth is a Precursor world, perhaps their home world. At the very height of their power, the precursors were the dominant force throughout the universe. However, due to unknown reasons, they vanished, passing down a mantle to their chosen race to continue their legacy: the Forerunners. However, what if the Precursors had [i]not[/i] been wiped out, but in fact, merely faded away, realising that omniscience was a terrible burden. A likely scenario is that the Precursors encountered the Flood, which would make the Flood much like the Reapers in Mass Effect; they wipe out cultures once they are advanced enough. The Flood could have forced the Precursors back into hiding, where they lost all their technology. Eventually, perhaps only one world, Earth, remained, and so eventually the Precursors had lost all of their knowledge and power, and became what we know today as humanity. I know you think a species 'devolving' seems unlikely, but I will direct you here to the case of the Brutes. At one point in their history, they were as advanced as the Covenant, until a civil war threw them back into the industrial age. Something similar of this sort could have happened to the Precursors. In the sixth terminal, the Librarian states this to the Didact. [quote]We knew this was a special place because of them, but unless you've been here, you can't know. [/quote] Now that seems to be good proof. She is calling Earth a special place because of [i]them[/i]. Just who are 'them?' Humanity springs to mind, but what if she was talking about the Precursors? It's a long shot, but it's an option, one that I believe. I've probably missed out a lot, I shall scourer the terminals again and make necessary edits. Thanks for reading, please voice your opinion. [quote][/quote] [b]Update 1.2[/b] (I had this all neatly typed up, but it got deleted by a posting error. So forgive me if some of this update doesn't make sense, it's late at night and I'm kind of tired.) Reach is situated within the Epsilon Eridani system, a mere 10.5 lightyears from the Sol System, and it's closest neighbouring system. Now, let's go with the idea that Earth was in fact, the Precursor homeworld. Once they had achieved space exploration level, it's likely the first system they would have discovered is the Epsilon Eridani system. The Precursors would have also discovered Reach, and probably inhabited it. Now let's jump to First Strike. Halsey and the Spartans discover a network of what they believe to be 'Forerunner caverns' underneath the ONI CASTLE facility. Inside these ruins, they discover a crystal, which can bend space and time. It seems awfully advanced, even for the Forerunners. Now, what if the Forerunners hadn't built the caverns and crystal, but the Precursors had? I'm not just thinking up random ideas as I go along though. What I find unlikely is that the Forerunners would have discovered Reach, but a few light years away from Earth, and have the time to construct caverns and house a ridiculously advanced crystal within, yet not discover Earth and humanity until a short time before activating Halo. Why would they waste time constructing such a complex when they were faced with extinction? My opinion is that the Precursors built it. Which is why, when Fred 104 touches the glyphs on the complex, he gets a 'Frustratingly familiar' feeling, as if he's seen them before. Genetic instincts perhaps, from humanity's Precursor ancestors? Simply becoming Reclaimers of the Forerunners wouldn't give humanity instinctive knowledge of how their technology works. And if the Forerunners based all their technology off of the Precursors relics they had discovered, it would explain why the Master Chief sub conciously could activate the various devices upon Halo. And, running along with this idea that Reach had been colonised by the Precursors, what if every UNSC Colony world which had mysterious 'Forerunner artefacts' were in fact, also Precursor? Perhaps humanity was merely following in their Precursors ancestors ancient footsteps, as they themselves first ventured into the Galactic beyond. [b]Update 2.0[/b] Oh Lord, this is all too perfect. The first Halo Legends episode, [i]The Babysitter[/i] was released, and it speaks volumes for this theory. The ODSTs have a mission alongside a Spartan to assassinate a Prophet at some unknown alien ruins. Cortez, the ODST squad leader, at some point in the mission briefing says: [quote]"The architecture is not Covenant design and it sure as hell wasn't built by humans. It pre-dates both sides."[/quote] As I was watching this I nodded along and thought, 'Forerunner'. That's what it pointed to right? Perhaps not. Later on when we actually see these ruins, they sure look confusing. It actually looks more like human ancient Japanese design than Forerunner. Naturally, everyone is complaining about it, saying it isn't Forerunner. And perhaps it isn't. Perhaps it is Precursor. Now let's say, back in the day, the Precursors built some structures like that, with that design. They colonise the planet their human descendants (Remember the greater theory) walk upon hundreds of thousands of years later. And they build these ruins. Now what if, in the Haloverse, Japanese building designs were inspired by ancient Precursor blueprints that the ancient Japanese discovered? What if those ruins on the planet in [i]The Babysitter[/i] are in fact meant to look like they do? Not Forerunner ruins, but Precursor. Also, the statues inside the ruins show what seem to be animals usually found on Earth. And who do we theorise do originate from Earth? That's right, the Precursors. If the Forerunners had built the ruins, then surely they would have images of their Gods, not animals. [b]In other words: [/b] - Precursors colonise planet, build ruins we see in [i]The Babysitter.[/i] - Precursors then become humanity after catastrophic event. - Halo is fired by Forerunners. - Precursor remnants (humans) repopulate Earth. - Ancient Japanese discover incredibly old Precursor building blueprints, design their buildings in the same way. - ODST squad and Spartan in [i]The Babysitter[/i] discover these ancient ruins, Halo fans cry out "But they're not Forerunner!" - Because they aren't. They're Precursor. [b]Last minute input: [/b][url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18391672&postcount=243]Oh my God, Frankie just practically confirmed this section of the theory![/url] [Edited on 11.07.2009 3:54 PM PST]

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  • This Theory is proven wrong by Halo:Cryptun

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  • This a very good theory

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  • As far as i was aware, Born becomes the didact who fights in the forerunner flood war after the events of cryptum. The events of the book, as far as i can recall, saw the rings at the capital fire but on low, leaving the 6 good rings and the one bad ring all at the ark. in the evnts of the next book, the rings get distributed once the flood war begins with the rest of the forerunners, as they have only faught with the humans and the san'shyuum up untill the start of the book, correct me if i am wrong?

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  • I think there will always be mistakes and inconsistencies in the lore. You just need to enjoy the stories on their own, and then get some satisfaction in finding out what the 'main ideas' were for the overall plot. I mean Bungie had probably already decided long ago what the precursors were, how the Flood started, what the relationship between humans and forerunners was - those are the big things you get answers to. Little details will get lost with so many different authors working on it. Remember a few things though - the Terminals are not infallible narratives. For a start we know that the Domain constantly makes strange changes to Forerunner historical data, and they don't undo these changes - at the start of Cryptum it says there are many romanticized myths, and the terminals could be just that (don't the love letters between Librarian and Didact sound a bit Greek Tragedy to you?) but also, Didact in Cryptum did create Mendicant Bias, but 9000 years or so before the start of the book. Also, Didact is back on his feet again, and the war continues. So maybe the terminals happened after the events of Cryptum.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dark Neptune Halo: Cryptum.[/quote]There are problems with it though. The terminals are the first thing wrong with the books because the time lines are conflicting with Didact. In the book, he is in the Cryptum for idk how many century's until he is awakened. On the other hand, the terminals say that the forerunners were at war with flood for about 300 years now and that would mean that Didact would be in hibernation when the war was going on. He was the one that commanded the [b][u]ENTIRE[/u][/b] Forerunner fleet![quote]So lets review. There's a guy named [url=http://www.halopedian.com/Didact]Didact[/url]. He is the leader of the Forerunner military. He activated the halo arrays and ended the forerunner flood war (so we thought). That is pretty much what is happening in the halo 3 terminals. Now for the Cryptum. It says that he was in the Cryptum for [b]ALL[/b] of the Forerunner Flood war, and wasn't even fighting. [u]HE NEVER FOUGHT IN THE BOOK![/u][/quote] And do I have to mention that [url=http://www.halopedian.com/032_Mendicant_Bias]Mendicant Bias[/url] was created by Didact? By the time Didact awakened in the Cryptum, Mendicant Bias has been on a mission for 43 years! That would mean that some one else created Mendicant Bias, instead of Didact, and this would contradict what is said by the terminals. (If you want to read the terminals you can see it [url=http://www.halopedian.com/Terminals]here[/url]). That is why I still debate whether the books should be considered canon. The Forerunners are a delicate issue that bungie has now -blam!- up. A good example is [url=http://www.halopedian.com/The_Fall_of_Reach]The Fall of Reach[/url] and [url=http://www.halopedian.com/Halo_reach]Halo: Reach.[/url] There are major canon issues with The Pillar of Autumn being on Reach during the battle. [Edited on 01.17.2011 9:11 AM PST]

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  • Halo: Cryptum.

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  • My friend, you have opened my eyes and enlightened me. however, what about the possibility that the Precursors were much like the Shan'Shyuum and the Forerunners being Sangheili, (without the war they had in the beginning) the Precursors shared their technology with the Forerunners who built, or started to build, the Rings and other Forerunner stuff, while the Precursors were busy expanding. The Forerunners betray the Precursors, the Precursors were outmatched and fled to the edges of the galaxy where they accidentally awakened a force that has been growing and evolving since the begging of everything, the Precursors fought of the Flood as long as they could and came back to the Forerunners with dire news, the Forerunners did not believe their former masters and attacked them, as they tried to fight off both of their attackers the Precursors were driven back to Earth, but not before the Forerunners activated the ring that would take out a few of the Precursors without getting their planet. The activation of the ring had damaged the flood and forced them back into hiding, waiting for their time to strike again, the Precursors were then driven back to their planet, Earth, and left to re-evolve as Humans. (skipping details on the flood coming back and fighting the Forerunners since you [might] already know this) The Forerunners needed a species they could trust, one who had already used their technology before, they chose the Precursors, now known as Humanity, and cataloged the species as with the others in the galaxy (Halo Legends) That is my theory [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog It's a long shot, but it's an option, one that I believe. I've probably missed out a lot, I shall scourer the terminals again and make necessary edits. Thanks for reading, please voice your opinion. [/quote] [Edited on 01.15.2011 7:45 AM PST]

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  • But I thought that Forerunners were giant chickens

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  • ummm u guys know that gravemind is a flood infected precursor right?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ktan Dantaktee Racist.[/quote] It wasn't meant to sound racist (if you're referencing my post), but I admit, it kinda of does...

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  • Racist.

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  • Some quick unput: The Japanese buildings may have just been put in because Legends was a project carried out by JAPANESE companies. Maybe they just wanted to Japify it with their architecture?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SEAL Sniper 9 God created humanity[/quote] Thats a Religious theory to a lot of people.

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  • Ouch. My head, literally, hurts now. I don't seem to get what you're saying. Are you saying: In the beginning, their were the Precursors. But what were the Precursors? Humans? Then they disappeared and humanity began? But, how does humanity begin? Out of nowhere? God created humanity, so did they create the Precursors, too? Or what? Then the Forerunners came? They died from the Flood. Then humanity came, again? At this point it's the humanity we know now and then know in the Halo universe. This all seems really unclear and confusing. It seems (besides the structures in Halo Legends) that the Precursors could have just as much have been the Forerunners. This really doesn't prove anything. No offense, intended. Just constructive critizism.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ No they are not the precursors. Read Cryptum. it explains everything.[/quote]This thread was created a year ago to try and explain some things we had little to no insight into. Why don't you try reading the posts in the thread instead of just the title? Why don't you try and determine the context of the overall conversation (which includes the date it occurred) before jumping in? Why don't you try being an intelligent human being?

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  • Now this thread is going to be locked like Lord Snakie's was.

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  • No they are not the precursors. Read Cryptum. it explains everything.

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  • Well this sucks, now some of Insurrection and this thread is obsolete.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] mchalo and fries No, the last sentence in Cryptum tells us exactly where the Flood came from. They are a bio weapon created as a parting gift of sorts left for the Forerunners. The captive is not the Gravemind nor the flood, although he could have been consumed by the flood. The Gravemind was established before Mendicant spoke with the Precursor thus proving the Precursors are not flood themselves.[/quote]Too bad now. Good threads are going to get locked up now. (SAD FACE!)

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  • No, the last sentence in Cryptum tells us exactly where the Flood came from. They are a bio weapon created as a parting gift of sorts left for the Forerunners. The captive is not the Gravemind nor the flood, although he could have been consumed by the flood. The Gravemind was established before Mendicant spoke with the Precursor thus proving the Precursors are not flood themselves.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HipiO7 *Head asplodes* [/quote]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Well, it was fun while it lasted. At least we finally know the truth, now. I need to pick up Cryptum as soon as possible.[/quote]The books may have proven the theory wrong as far as the humans go, but it still does not prove where the flood came from. This theory is not over. The precursors may have created the flood in the beginning though, we don't know. The flood is still up to debate.

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  • Has no one read cryptum? The precursers are flood or at least a version of the flood. As far as i can tell the Graveminds are precursers. The Humans were fighting and actualy might have beat the forerunners had they not been killing the flood that had mutated itself into them from precursor ships. The book explains all of this. The only reason humans ended up as they did in Halo is because they fought the double sided war between fleeing and killing the flood while having to push into forerunner territory to find unninfected worlds.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Well, it was fun while it lasted. At least we finally know the truth, now. I need to pick up Cryptum as soon as possible.[/quote] Are you going to wallow in self pity as I was partially right and you were completely wrong? Are you? Cryptm pwnt Wlvrfrg.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog Well, it was fun while it lasted. At least we finally know the truth, now. I need to pick up Cryptum as soon as possible.[/quote] We all do.

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  • Well, it was fun while it lasted. At least we finally know the truth, now. I need to pick up Cryptum as soon as possible.

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