Tried using the Uffern HC4 both in pve and pvp...the results were mixed. In pve, I really liked the feel of the weapon, it was actually pretty fun. The gun hit hard enough and was fairly consistent. I must say the ammo nerf is quite annoying though. In pvp it feels like Bungie curbstomped HC's, spit on them, lit them on fire, then desecrated the corpse. IT WAS TERRIBLE. Idk how to describe it, it's like its hit detection was now all up to RNG even when pacing shots. There were times where I CLEARLY had the head shot lined up, fired, turned around to engage someone else just knowing I got the kill when NOPE, complete miss. Somehow it feels like hawkmoon escaped this terribad [i]feel[/i], but legendary hc's are struggling crucible wise.