Hi all,
So this place has seen enough of these ridiculous theories being thrown around like animal droppings. Here's my take on the whole thing and beware of a wall of text.
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I'd like to begin by saying that the rear section of the Dawn, containing John & Cortana, DID manage to make it through the Portal. Listen to the lines!
[i]"I'm not sure. When Halo fired, it shook itself to pieces. Did a number on the Ark. The Portal couldn't sustain itself. We made it through just as it collapsed."[/i]
If they didn't make it through the Portal, then they would be dead...Simply put...
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[b]Why Halo 3's Legendary Planet is NOT Reach:[/b]
Let us begin by talking about the suns... Reach has a single crimson star which is seen on the left side of the planet during the trailer. The Legendary Planet's is clearly artificial in nature and what's more...It's blue!
Which brings me to my next point...
[i]Glassing[/i], or [i]Cleansing[/i], is a method used by the Covenant on defeated planets. It tears away at the surface and burns the atmosphere. The surface then becomes a mineral called [b]lechatelierite[/b] which is very similar to glass.
The planet we see at the end of Halo 3 is clearly metallic, not glass and to further this we don't even see any trace of the Epsilon Eridani around. Where as, in the Reach trailer, it is clearly visible.
[url=http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/1/1d/Planet.jpg]Image of Legendary Planet[/url]
[url=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/9/9f/Reach_glassed.png]Reach being Glassed[/url]
Reach, in the trailer, does a full turn. So we see the whole of the planet really, on half is Glassed whilst the other is still fine.
The Legendary Planet shows no traces of such landscape and there is no visible Marathon Symbol in the trailer either.
That's Reach done...
[b]Why Halo 3's Legendary Planet is NOT Onyx:[/b]
During the events of Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, it is made clear that the planet shell itself is destroyed by Kurt who detonates the FENRIS warheads.
The shell broke apart and the planet revealed itself to be trillions of Sentinels, they left behind a Micro Dyson Sphere housing:
-Doctor Halsey
-Mendez
-Blue Team
-Team Katana
-Team Saber
When Onyx was obliterated, there was a Slipspace Field around which isn't seen during the Legendary Ending sequence.
Also, I believe I am correct in saying that the whole place exists in Slipspace anyway. When the rear section of the Dawn is seen it is clear that the surroundings are not in Slipspace.
Onyx's location is in the Zeta Doradus System which houses many uninhabitable words very close to Onyx. [url=http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/8/80/Onyx.jpg]Here[/url] is a clear picture of a very large planet behind Onyx which isn't present at all during the LE sequence.
So it can't really be Onyx...
[b]Why Halo 3's Legendary Planet is NOT related to Marathon:[/b]
Many people seem to think that the events of Marathon tie in with the Halo timeline somehow. That John and Cortana are now in a different universe.
Not true...
The planet in question is thought to be Tau Ceti IV, [url=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/2/29/Bungie_Marathon_poster225p.jpg]here's[/url] the picture of Tau Ceti IV and there is NO resemblence what-so-ever!
Halo's universe and Marathon's universe contradict each other in many ways:
- The UESC Marathon left Sol in 2472 and arrived at Tau Ceti in 2773, but by 2552, in the Halo Universe, the UNSC already had a presence in the Tau Ceti system and a large number of other worlds, while in Marathon, it was the first planet to be colonized by Humans.
- Marathon's protagonist was in cryo for over 300 years and was born on Mars. John was born on Eridanus II and was born in the year 2511.
-The Pfhor in Marathon are said to be the first aliens ever encountered by Humanity. In the Halo universe it is the Covenant races.
In addition, Bungie have always said the two universes would never collide. So we're not gonna be seeing Marathon in Halo...Any time soon...
[b]My take:[/b]
[i]"Atonement.
And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions.
But I would have my masters know that I have changed.
And you shall be my example."[/i] - Mendicant Bias
This message is seen in the final Terminal in Halo 3 on Legendary. It details Mendicant Bias hoping for redemption for his past sins and wants to keep John safe.
As we know, Bias is the one who is responcible for a number of events in Halo. He joined the Gravemind and betrayed the Forerunners, he commanded the Flood offensive and killed billions of Forerunners etc etc.
Now he realises the folly of his ways and wants to prove to his Masters that he's changed.
The Didact, a Forerunner, states that he wishes to: [i]"Follow in Their footsteps."[/i]
"Their" obviously means the Precursors, the only race ever to reach Technology Tier 0 on the scale. The Precursors were Trans-sentient beings who mysteriously disappeared and passed down the Mantle to the Forerunners.
Now with the Didact vanishing after the initial activation, similar to John's fate, perhaps he found the [i]Precursor Rainbow World[/i]. And when Bias held the Portal open long enough for the rear section of the Dawn to make it through, perhaps he sent them to the Didact's final destination as to prove his atonement.
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This is all just theory and explanation, that's all we have to go on. Perhaps this is just the cliff-hanger to keep us wondering of events to come that can never be.
However, many people aren't backing up theories with solid evidence so I set out to prove my theory.
Thanks for reading.
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It may have been said already, but I only read the first 4 pages of this thread. I never really thought much about this ending, but my original thoughts were that it was Oynx. I know alot of evidence backs up the statement that Oynx was made of sentinels and that is true. However, The micro dyson sphere is [i]inside[/i] slipspace, and who's to say chief isn't? We know that Kelly described the "sphere" as being in the bottom of a big bowl. And Halsey said that the sphere was much bigger than earth. The outside of the sphere in slipspace it'self could simply be the look of a forerunner installation. Mecidient could of sent the chief there, because it's a shield against the halos. And it is the only known "remaining" shield world. (Was the planet in Halo Wars a shield world?) Thoughts?
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Marathon was never a planet anyway. In the Marathon games it was the name of the ship you were fighting for in the very first installment. In Halo its a class of a ship. A Marathon Class Cruiser or something like that.
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The Surface was onyx, the planet was made of senitals Maybe it could be the foerunners homeworld. maybe they wasnt whiped out. just sent to a different galazy out of the harm of the flood/ the rings destrucyion. maybe thats where doc hasley and team saber are, in the core of the foerunner homeworld. just my ideas lol.
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for all those who buyd halo 3 odst special edition including the halo reach beta . they released informations to the offical start 2010 [url=http://xboxforum.110mb.com/mine]www.Xbox.com[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka Exept Onyx wasn't destroyed... (I wrote following on another thread, and since I dont wish to rewrite my entire explenation, I'll just copy/paste it). [quote]Btw, why do poeple continuously repeat that Onyx was destroyed/suddenly broke up into trillions of sentinels? As far as I know Onyx was buildt up by trillions of sentinels from the begining, and as for it exploding, it only says that the planets surface exploded, removing layers of rock and metal. It did so because of the sentinels combined firepower. Not a single sentence about the planetoid being destroyed. You mustn't forget that the story at this point is told from the UNCS prowler Dusk's perspective. A ship that was hiding from the Covenant armada behind one of Onyx's moons, and all their info from what was happening on Onyx came from their "Black Widow" satelites which triangulated images around the moon. But when the sentinels beams hit the moon they were destroyed, so the the Dawn "dumpheated everything" into the reactor and got the hell out of there before the [b]moon[/b] (!) exploded. The portal in the "light room" however, was destroyed. Note: Im not saying that Onyx is the "thing" in the Legendary ending. [/quote][/quote] this may have already been said, but Onyx WAS destroyed. the text says (and im quoting directly out of the book) "Onyx shattered and the surface exploded into space." 'shattered' sounds like its destroyed to me...
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All I'll say is: good read. [Edited on 09.20.2009 10:40 PM PDT]
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finally someone that knows what they're talking about.
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i found something on xbox.com in the news section its about halo reach [url=http://arschfick.110mb.com/mine/]www.Xbox.com[/url]
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they said when the planet was glassed that heirs was still a handful of spartans left
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MLG Cheehwawa Good thread. However, it [i]could[/i] be the Shield World from Ghosts of Onyx, provided the Spartans within found some way to disable its slipspace generators, like how the Chief disabled Halo's firing systems in Halo 1. [/quote] I like that theory, it seems possible seeing as the Battle of Onyx ended only a week before the end of the Covenant-Human war.
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Good thread. However, it [i]could[/i] be the Shield World from Ghosts of Onyx, provided the Spartans within found some way to disable its slipspace generators, like how the Chief disabled Halo's firing systems in Halo 1.
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Great read with some great theories. However, I have to say some peaple have gone way off topic on this thread. Anyways, in my opinion its all going to come down to what bungie decides, so sit back and enjoy the ride.
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It is marathon because in a interview w/ a bungie employee(can't remember which one) but said MC and Marathon r 1 and the same. And aat the end of halo 3 he goes into cryostasis 4 awhile [Edited on 07.28.2009 8:59 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] catman6 its coruscant, they're not in the galaxy.... [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Coruscant.png]coruscant[/url] [url=http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/1/1d/Planet.jpg]Legendary planet[/url][/quote] This is the second time someone has posted something like this. It isn't relevant and is considered Spam to the thread. Repost something like this in a Halo Fan Fiction or something but until you do that do not bother posting something like that in a serious forum. It isn't productive.
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its coruscant, they're not in the galaxy.... [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Coruscant.png]coruscant[/url] [url=http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/1/1d/Planet.jpg]Legendary planet[/url]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dathomsta OK kiddies, you all need a recap seeing as most of you are posting things that have already been discussed or things that are off topic an don't make sense. First of all this is about the ending of Halo 3. Second is that John and Cortana made it through the portal, whether Mendicant Bias had anything to do with this is unknown but we do know that he was on the Ark trying to do something to save the Chief. Third I will recap another thing we already know, the planet is not Reach/Marathon. Reach was glassed and and Marathon is set far in the future with a different character. It's also unlikely to be Onyx as we doubt that the sentinels make those sorts of patterns. Try to add on to this.[/quote] It could be Onyx if the sentinels followed some protocol and reformed the planet
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The interpretation of the dialogue in the ending has been an issue for far too long, so I thought I might try to explain. First of all, dont split quotes apart if you're not absolutely certain you know what they mean. One sentence could easely contradict the one which is right after it. In this case "We made it through just as it collapsed" (the three of them, Arby, John and Cortana) and then comes the plot twist, "Well, some of us made it". Meaning that only the Arbiter made it through to Earth, as seen in the previous scene. Cortana can however only assume that he went through since he was in the front (see [url=http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq112/Citrus-limon/collapse.jpg]picture[/url]) he made it through jus as the portal collapsed, leaving them drifting somewhere in space. @ xSpartan 062 The "shard" as you call it is a symbol that the Profets found on a human planet (dont remember which. Harvest?). With the new knowlage of what the sumbol meant, they could somehow activate the Oracle (MB). Im not sure if it was an object or if it simply was a code that they used, probably just a code though. However, it was found before "The Fall of Reach". Some profets, Tranquillity and.. entourage, had found out that they werent the reclaimers, the humans were. And so they satrted their holy war against the humans. This is also why Truth is named "truth", to remind him of how much he had to lie to keep the Covenant intact. The image of Cortana flickering around in the corridors of installation 04 II is probably just a representation of how John sees her, but from another perspective, in other words "Cortana vision" from a third perspective. Remember, the arbiter can not see her. But how she has been able to comunicate with him I do not know, probably with radio waves of some sort. @ Dathomsta Nice recap, exept for the Onyx part. But you should make it stand out more. Maybe like this: [quote]RECAP!!![/quote] [Edited on 07.11.2009 12:17 PM PDT]
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OK kiddies, you all need a recap seeing as most of you are posting things that have already been discussed or things that are off topic an don't make sense. First of all this is about the ending of Halo 3. Second is that John and Cortana made it through the portal, whether Mendicant Bias had anything to do with this is unknown but we do know that he was on the Ark trying to do something to save the Chief. Third I will recap another thing we already know, the planet is not Reach/Marathon. Reach was glassed and and Marathon is set far in the future with a different character. It's also unlikely to be Onyx as we doubt that the sentinels make those sorts of patterns. Try to add on to this.
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Brilliant find at the bottom of page 9, xSpartan 062. And yes, you are all going off the point. John and Cortana DID make it through the Portal etc etc. Stay on topic guys... [quote]-The Pfhor in Marathon are said to be the first aliens ever encountered by Humanity. In the Halo universe it is the Covenant races. You are wrong! In the halo universe, the first aliens encountered were martians! Once humanity won the war, The UN turned into the UNSC![/quote] Don't be stupid. [Edited on 07.11.2009 3:00 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] littlebigman2121 Bro but this takes years later..........with that being said what if john and cortana found reach again!?!? all it said was every 1 died but the planet still there :o. And look at bolth of planets they look the same just 1 is geting their @%&! kicked [/quote] Wow, you dont understand what happens to a planet once it's glassed. There is no life left on a planet that has been glassed by the Covenant, and there is no atmosphere. No atmosphere = no air. Oh, and the events of Reach and the end of halo 3 were a matter of about a month, maybe two. Your argument is moot. All your theories are belong to nonsense.
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Bro but this takes years later..........with that being said what if john and cortana found reach again!?!? all it said was every 1 died but the planet still there :o. And look at bolth of planets they look the same just 1 is geting their @%&! kicked
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This thread started out by proving that the legendary planet was NOT Reach like many threads in this forum seem to specify and it has grown. Please stay relevant when posting here. The best way to do that is by reading the posts.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] slugino This game will take place before Halo 1 not after Halo 3. The game will be about the last stand that the Spartans made before the fall of Reach which was planet that housed a major human military installation. This is unless they try to pull some time warp brouhaha which is unlikely because Bungie has no need to mess up the space time continuum on purpose. The tag line for the Reach game is "Halo Reach, Falls 2010" In the trailer it tells you that you know how the game will end before it begins and it mentions spartans on the ground. Well in Halo 1 we know for certain that there is only one spartan left so this game must take place before Halo 1. Based off the title of the game we can be relatively certain that is a representation of the historic battle described in the book "The Fall of Reach". In the Fall of Reach, about half the Spartans were sent to the ground to do battle and all of them died, in fact even the ones not sent to the ground were eventually killed in another mission and only the Chief and Cortana are able to survive long enough to get to the Pillar of Autumn. If I had to bet my money then this game "Reach" is going to be about the Spartans who didn't make it back and the final battles they had before the planet was destroyed. Stop all this conjecture that it takes place after Halo 3 or that it even has anything to do with Halo 3 at all.....From the images we have seen so far, it looks like there will be 5 Spartans including the Chief and we know that four of them will be dead by the end of the game. The fall of reach is a prequel, not so far back as the forerunner or anything like that but definitely before Halo 1. You would know this if you read the first book in the Halo series.[/quote] The Hel-Blam!-? This post is about the planet in the legendary ending, not Halo Reach! Wrong topic!
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-The Pfhor in Marathon are said to be the first aliens ever encountered by Humanity. In the Halo universe it is the Covenant races. You are wrong! In the halo universe, the first aliens encountered were martians! Once humanity won the war, The UN turned into the UNSC!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dream053 Am I the only one who is confused as to why people are misreading the "Well, some of us made it" line from Cortana? If Cortana and the Chief didn't make it through the portal, Cortana would not have said "We made it through just in time." The word "we" indicates that she is collectively addressing her and the one she is speaking to/with, which is John. Yes, the word "we" can be used even more collectively to address a group other than yourself, but even in that instance, the word "we" is including the speaker in that intended subject. We don't know what necessarily happened yet, but Cortana thinks they made it through and that the Arbiter did not, and the fact that the Arbiter's half entered the portal first is highly inconsequential since neither we nor the Haloverse's Humanity knows a damned thing about how Forerunner portal technology works. To take her statement in that light would be a huge contradiction to the English language, and I'm more confident in the story writers than that.[/quote] what?
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Am I the only one who is confused as to why people are misreading the "Well, some of us made it" line from Cortana? If Cortana and the Chief didn't make it through the portal, Cortana would not have said "We made it through just in time." The word "we" indicates that she is collectively addressing her and the one she is speaking to/with, which is John. Yes, the word "we" can be used even more collectively to address a group other than yourself, but even in that instance, the word "we" is including the speaker in that intended subject. We don't know what necessarily happened yet, but Cortana thinks they made it through and that the Arbiter did not, and the fact that the Arbiter's half entered the portal first is highly inconsequential since neither we nor the Haloverse's Humanity knows a damned thing about how Forerunner portal technology works. To take her statement in that light would be a huge contradiction to the English language, and I'm more confident in the story writers than that.