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4/17/2009 12:55:33 AM
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AT-AT vs. Scarab: Who would win?
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For those who don't know what they look like, here you go
[url=http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs9/f/2006/342/8/d/ATAT_Schematics_by_funkmaster_c.jpg]AT-AT[/url]
[url=http://www.supercheats.com/xbox360/guides/halo3/images/scarab.jpg]Scarab[/url]
In my opinion, the AT-AT would annihilate the Scarab. First of all, the AT-AT is much bigger, and has almost impenetrable armor, even to lasers, wheras the scarab could be damaged by small rocket fire and small missles.
Second, the AT-AT's weapon range is 27 km, where the Scarab can only shoot about 1-2 km, so the Scarab could be destroyed from literally miles away.
Third, the AT-AT's weapons are much more powerful than a Scarabs. The AT-AT's fully charged lasers can annihilate a very large shield generator, where the Scarabs main weapon can take down a Scorpion tank at most.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhpS69eAXrU&feature=related]Watch the AT-AT in action[/url] -----watch 5:10-5:30
Fourth, the AT-AT's troops it carries highly outmatch the Scarabs. The AT-AT carries 40 highly trained stormtroopers against the Scarab's 5 brutes and a few grunts.
Due to these four points, I believe the AT-AT would most assuredly win.
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? Since when is the empire around after the galactic civil war?
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Halo 3 is also a completely different story. How about Superman vs Chief? Superman is invincible so Chief would only win with Kryptonite. Eventually all cross-story comparisons are kind of worthless. A better thread would be about what's cooler. That's something more real than who would win.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gaara444 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spencer1519 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gaara444 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kemper555 it would have to shooting the back or neck of it forever [/quote]thats not realy the biggest weak spot, its greatest weakness is under the belly since its the most vulnerable, they dont implement it in the games cause its too easy[/quote] But since the scarab is so much larger than the AT-AT, it can't shoot at the underbelly. Assuming the AT-AT and the scarab fight at about .3 miles apart, the fight would be pretty even. The AT-AT could take out the scarab's joints at range, than attempt to move around to the back before the scarab repaired itself. It would all come down to whoever's armor failed first.[/quote]didnt you see my post about the metric system ins star wars? 3m in real life is 1m in star wars, the AT-AT is 10m bigger[/quote] Exactly. And for all the people saying that the scarab could just be dropped in, if this was a ground assault, the empire would control the skies above the area. No Scarab's would be dropped. And this is supposed to not involve other ships, just the two on the ground. Now for the people who say it would be tipped over, with the incredible power of the AT-AT's charged up weapons, and the range of its weapons, the Scarab would have no time to get near to the AT-AT, assuming that no drop ships were involved.
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It would be a LONG GRUELING battle. But Scarab would win. The only way the AT AT could win is if it hit the Scarab's weak point on the back. Unfortunately, the Scarab is much too mobile for that to happen. The Scarab could also likely ended fast by ramming it from the side, knocking it over, then even Duranium would fail against the pounding weight of Modern Futuristic machinery. Also, they didnt exactly say who was manning what... A Spartan laser could scroch through the AT AT easy, and a jedi might be lucky enough to sneak inside and use its ultra idiot powers and take the Scarab down.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RustyBeardMan for the scarab it takes 50 marines and a geneticaly enhanced super soldier to take it down and for the AT-AT it takes a kid with a light saber and a hand grenade i dunno you be the judge[/quote]the kid with a light saber and a hand grenade is Chuck Norris on coffee.....
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for the scarab it takes 50 marines and a geneticaly enhanced super soldier to take it down and for the AT-AT it takes a kid with a light saber and a hand grenade i dunno you be the judge
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RustyBeardMan 5.it has jet boosters on its stomach allowing it to "jump" AT-AT can do none of the things i mentioned above[/quote] Scarabs don't have jets and they cannot jump. [b][u]AT-AT[/b][/u] -Dual uber laser cannons on it's cheeks and chins -Can deploy up to 40 troop, 4 speed bikes or can be modified to fit AT-ST's - The AT-AT can shoot farther than a Scarab -Doesn't have to recharge a battery - AT-AT's are never dropped in alone, always in two or more.And if I remember Scarabs are always dropped as a single unit and very rarely in pairs. -AT-AT armor is made of duranium which is invurnerable to plasma. AT-AT wins.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jarod2188 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gaara444 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jarod2188 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gaara444 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kemper555 well you have me at battlefront but i refuse to surrender no matter how many times you prove me wrong[/quote]heheh your a worthy adversary, hmm lets see here, in EAW you can clearly see the AT-AT turn, you order it to move behind you and it will do it[/quote] Ahh but the scarab is faster so it could run around the AT-AT then destroy it.[/quote]like i said before, the AT-AT's armor was designed to protect itself from plasma[/quote] Well im pretty sure it couls push it over, and it it falls there is no way it can get up.[/quote]imperial engineers have constantly upgraded the AT-AT after the galactic civil war, they have put many alterations to provent such things since the consortium was gaining power and they had plasma weapons that could do that
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If the rebels could take out a bunch if them on Hoth, Its not a real problem. But of course the Covies are not to bright, so maybe not. And just for the record, UNSC troops(canonically) > Covies Empire > Covies UNSC = Empire Bulls*** math = 4 Chan
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Scarab would easily destroy and At-At
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If they play at Chess, then the Scarab wins because it is alive (same thing as the Hunters, Lekgolo I think they are called). (Joking) If they are fighting for real, then I think the Scarab would still win. It is smart and relatively mobile.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] laddi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] laddi NOW lets say covenant verse empire[/quote] The empire has billions of worlds, a fleet consisting of at least 25,000 Star Destroyers, billions of lesser ships, and a huge number of soldiers. The Covenant controls a small part of one arm of a galaxy. Their ships are far weaker and slower, and they lack numbers, both in space and on the ground. Any such war would be over very quickly, with the covenant planets swiftly occupied or turned into slag.[/quote] have u read the books they say that covenant ships are like the fastest thing thhey have every seen [/quote] Covenant starships can go ~30Ly a day. A ships in starwars can go over a 1000LY an hour. [quote] i have this halo book that tells me how much things live on each planet and there is about like 15 trillion on each planet [/quote] Gunt homeworld: 320 million Brute: 12.5 Billion Jackal: 978 Million Prophet: 500 million Hunter: 1.2 trillion Elite: 8.5 billion Population of Coruscant in Star Wars: Trillions [quote] if u have seen a covenant fleet in action or even heard of it in a book or something one ship can take atleast five humans ships so i would say covenant destroyer could take maybe 2 star destroyers because of shield systems and weapons powerful enough to burn a planet but not completly blow it up like death star, [/quote] Star Destroyers can also burn planets and have powerful shield systems. Covenant ships have been estimated to have a firepower in the megatons. Star Destroyer have turrets that put out gigatons and teratons. [/quote] dude population may be in the trillions on that planet but consider this they arent all soldier basically all the aliens in the covenant are signed up for war. This nation is only for war and they will not stop killing but thnx for typing in the real population and star destroyers thing i believe u in star destroyer about frepower but were is ur source for covenant spaceship weopanry or was it a guess
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spencer1519 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gaara444 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kemper555 it would have to shooting the back or neck of it forever [/quote]thats not realy the biggest weak spot, its greatest weakness is under the belly since its the most vulnerable, they dont implement it in the games cause its too easy[/quote] But since the scarab is so much larger than the AT-AT, it can't shoot at the underbelly. Assuming the AT-AT and the scarab fight at about .3 miles apart, the fight would be pretty even. The AT-AT could take out the scarab's joints at range, than attempt to move around to the back before the scarab repaired itself. It would all come down to whoever's armor failed first.[/quote]didnt you see my post about the metric system ins star wars? 3m in real life is 1m in star wars, the AT-AT is 10m bigger
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xXIHAYD0IXx [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mack117 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MasterArbiter01 just burn its legs off with searing hot plasma scarab would win no questions asked [/quote]Plasma has no effective on Duranium. [/quote] I'm pretty sure that plasma can cut through most anything.[/quote] Depends what its composed of, if its generally corosive, and the tempiture
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gaara444 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jarod2188 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gaara444 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kemper555 well you have me at battlefront but i refuse to surrender no matter how many times you prove me wrong[/quote]heheh your a worthy adversary, hmm lets see here, in EAW you can clearly see the AT-AT turn, you order it to move behind you and it will do it[/quote] Ahh but the scarab is faster so it could run around the AT-AT then destroy it.[/quote]like i said before, the AT-AT's armor was designed to protect itself from plasma[/quote] Well im pretty sure it couls push it over, and it it falls there is no way it can get up.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gaara444 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kemper555 it would have to shooting the back or neck of it forever [/quote]thats not realy the biggest weak spot, its greatest weakness is under the belly since its the most vulnerable, they dont implement it in the games cause its too easy[/quote] But since the scarab is so much larger than the AT-AT, it can't shoot at the underbelly. Assuming the AT-AT and the scarab fight at about .3 miles apart, the fight would be pretty even. The AT-AT could take out the scarab's joints at range, than attempt to move around to the back before the scarab repaired itself. It would all come down to whoever's armor failed first.
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Even if At-AT loses, i bet they are much easier to build. [Edited on 04.16.2009 6:47 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CHAZPWNS1 what the scarab loses in fire power it wins in produce ability and speed plus it can be brought down from orbit the AT-AT has to be brought in on a shuttle and is slow and hard to manuever so i say scarab because in reality the Covenant would own the Empire[/quote] exactly and i have an entire like essay y above
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lets leave books and movies out.lets talk about the games star wars battlefront vs. halo 3 in battle front the AT-AT can eventualy be destroyed if you shoot at it long enough or if you trip it while in a snowspeeder in halo 3 the only way to kill a scarab is to damage its legs,climb inside,and over-load the fussion core scarab is virtually invinsible unless you climb inside or shoot the back panel off
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] laddi [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] laddi NOW lets say covenant verse empire[/quote] The empire has billions of worlds, a fleet consisting of at least 25,000 Star Destroyers, billions of lesser ships, and a huge number of soldiers. The Covenant controls a small part of one arm of a galaxy. Their ships are far weaker and slower, and they lack numbers, both in space and on the ground. Any such war would be over very quickly, with the covenant planets swiftly occupied or turned into slag.[/quote] have u read the books they say that covenant ships are like the fastest thing thhey have every seen [/quote] Covenant starships can go ~30Ly a day. A ships in starwars can go over a 1000LY an hour. [quote] i have this halo book that tells me how much things live on each planet and there is about like 15 trillion on each planet [/quote] Gunt homeworld: 320 million Brute: 12.5 Billion Jackal: 978 Million Prophet: 500 million Hunter: 1.2 trillion Elite: 8.5 billion Population of Coruscant in Star Wars: Trillions [quote] if u have seen a covenant fleet in action or even heard of it in a book or something one ship can take atleast five humans ships so i would say covenant destroyer could take maybe 2 star destroyers because of shield systems and weapons powerful enough to burn a planet but not completly blow it up like death star, [/quote] Star Destroyers can also burn planets and have powerful shield systems. Covenant ships have been estimated to have a firepower in the megatons. Star Destroyer have turrets that put out gigatons and teratons.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kemper555 i surrender to your infinite references well played good sir well played[/quote]you sir have well played on such a difficult debate, worthy adversary indeed..... [Edited on 04.16.2009 6:45 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kemper555 it would have to shooting the back or neck of it forever [/quote]thats not realy the biggest weak spot, its greatest weakness is under the belly since its the most vulnerable, they dont implement it in the games cause its too easy
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i surrender to your infinite references well played good sir well played
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] jarod2188 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gaara444 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kemper555 well you have me at battlefront but i refuse to surrender no matter how many times you prove me wrong[/quote]heheh your a worthy adversary, hmm lets see here, in EAW you can clearly see the AT-AT turn, you order it to move behind you and it will do it[/quote] Ahh but the scarab is faster so it could run around the AT-AT then destroy it.[/quote]like i said before, the AT-AT's armor was designed to protect itself from plasma
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Scarab, why because it you put a really, really, really thing cord around its legs, it won't fell apart.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] kemper555 fine but in the movie there is no place for the at-at's joints to move...it doesn't make sense[/quote]actualy in episode 5 you can see it turn, right before it brings down the sheild generator a small fighter was getting close the AT-AT moved ts leg to get a better vantage point to shoot down the fighter and then it moves it leg back
