Exactly my point. The primaries offered amazing perk synergy or alternate play. The secondaries offered infinite ammo or heavier burst. The heavies offer? *crickets*. Gjally is the only exception. The fact Gjally's damage may be [i]too high[/i] is irrelevant to this discussion. The problem is the others don't shine at all. it doesn't necessarily have to be damage. Imagine if they put mida's stun mechanic on thunderlord and called it "don't taze me bro". Suddenly that "important target" is made a lot easier by at least one person using thunderlord.