"That guy" who says he's experienced with relic but dies almost every time, Or the 34 gjallarhorn elitists. Also the people who can't use non-VoG weapons on oracles.
Edit 1: Whoever necrobumped this, thanks.
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"Need 5 for VoG hard, level 34s only." I did with a team of 29s trying for the helmet along with the other true veterans who have know The struggle. You don't need 34s, you need to be good.