VoG Norm LFG -Must be 34 -Must have Gjallarhorn -Experienced Relic Holder This is the kind of garbage that causes me to dislike newer players. Not necessarily because they got it easier, faster, and cheaper. No. It's because they've been online for a few weeks, having completed less than 1/4 of the game's activities, but want to run around like they know everything about everything as they're getting mopped up by lvl 26 mobs. Loot Cave? Sniping from the Hobgoblin towers in the Templar's Well? Atheon Push? Lamp launching? Crota Glitch? Forget grimoire score. These are the questions I ask when I need to know if the players I'm running with are as experienced as they say.