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2/6/2009 2:42:21 PM
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Opinions of a Karma system?
Do you think Bungie.net could do better with a Karma system?
Example: I have been posting around Bungie.net for 100 days. No warnings, bans and locked threads. For each week a system catches my perfect behavior I get 1+ Karma and this is showed beside the members name or beside there avatar. However if I were to get banned I would lose karma. So in total if I had 10 karma and I got banned for 7 days I would lose about 2 karma which would bring me down to an 8.
Heres my theory on how it can work
7 day ban- -2 karma
14 day ban - -4 karma
locked thread but no ban issued - -.5 karma lost.
ect ect
In my opinion I think this will actually improve the behavior of people in certain forums. This could also help the ninjas because If they see someone with -10 karma for example it would be a easier for the ninjas to keep an eye on that individual to see if the next post he makes could lead him to a vacation.
A big downside I see to this is that people will be making alt accounts all over the place just for a positive karma system. But in the long run as long as they behave and help other members is that really such a bad thing?
I know this might be a little more work for the ninjas and alot more sucking up will be happening but I see this idea work in other forums and its actually quite shocking on how it actually helps.But then again...In those forums members themselves can raise or lower the karma of others. But knowing Bungie.net has about X10 the members I do believe this system can be abused horribly here and thats why I think there should be a system that tracks this.
What are your opinions of this?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] guitarplyr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S1NESTER But my question is I have heard that having your password saved affects this system, is this true?[/quote] I've never heard anything like that. I know that saving your password isn't looked upon too positively, but I don't recall reading that it has any affect on your trust level.[/quote] I think that is pure rubbish.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZYTHON wait, a lock with no ban, is worse than a lock and ban, or just a ban? [/quote] What? A lock is when a thread that you make gets locked so no one can post in it. A ban prevents you from posting in any thread. I don't think locks negatively effect your trust, but I could be wrong.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HONKANATOR [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] just another fan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.[/quote] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik]It's over 9000![/url] I think that made mine drop a few points.[/quote] Yes.....yes you did[/quote] I'd get banned for that. Most of us would, I mean... I think.
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wait, a lock with no ban, is worse than a lock and ban, or just a ban?
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I think it would be a good idea to add a reputation button, so if one user thought another was doing something good, like creating a good thread, or answering a question, they could click the add rep button, and if they thought it wasn't very good or useful, but not against the rules, they could click the subtract rep button. It might cause problems with boosting rep, but It would gather a lot of information about what the community in general thinks.
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Points? Any chance of us knowing the point total needed to go Heroic, Legendary, and Mythic? It wouldn't hurt all that much, since we'd still not know how to 'cheat' the system. I'm curious about the differences is all. I became Heroic for the first time a day after my 3 day ban expired (if I'm remembering correctly). I've always wondered how that worked out. I was a member. I get banned. Not only does the number (whatever it was) go down because of the ban, but I haven't been active for those three days. So why did I go up after it? Computer illiterate Mexican Dish is computer illiterate.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] S1NESTER But my question is I have heard that having your password saved affects this system, is this true?[/quote] I've never heard anything like that. I know that saving your password isn't looked upon too positively, but I don't recall reading that it has any affect on your trust level. [Edited on 02.07.2009 8:13 PM PST]
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But my question is I have heard that having your password saved affects this system, is this true?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RyanThePerson [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] burritosenior A. I vote no. B.[quote]locked thread but no ban issued - -.5 karma lost.[/quote] So if you make a thread and other people get the thread locked, you get punished?[/quote]Well, I suppose the moderator could just choose how many karma points he wants to negate?[/quote] With all of the threads that get locked, and all of the posts that could lie within those threads, that would be a lot for the moderators to sift through. That seems like a hefty bit of work, doesn't it? I know I wouldn't want to have to go through and do that myself for 20 threads in an hour :-P
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i see absolutely no reason to institute a karma system. karma points are nearly meaningless, and they even seem inferior to the title system.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] just another fan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.[/quote] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik]It's over 9000![/url] I think that made mine drop a few points.[/quote] Haha, I laughed at that man. But anyways, I had an account that was a Heroic Member. I posted a lot and was pretty good but one day I made a kinda bad post and got banned. I didn't think it through, and it cost me. Just a warning: think your posts through, mates. If it's in the wrong Forum or it's just plain bad, don't do it. Unless Banadu is your style?
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Some of the people who are complaining about inactive people jumping up to Legendary/Mythic shouldn't worry. I am quite sure that isn't the case. At least not anymore. Member since 04, average activity, no bans, only a Heroic member. I was a Mythic some time ago but it changed awhile back. Right around the time the prefixes were added. So, if inactives were getting jumped up, they are not anymore. Besides, it's just a title.
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Fable + Fallout, much? Heh, I like this idea.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rampancy Don't act like you don't wish you knew your number. ; )[/quote] You know me too well Rampy.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Anto Avengerr There is one thing I still don't understand. Why would you lose points for being inactive for a certain amount of time. If a member is always well behaved and helps people around the site. And that certain member took a vacation for a month why should his trust go down? [/quote]If I had to guess, I would assume that the "Trust" rating is actually more like a "Trust/Devotion to Site" rating. If a person is gone for quite some time, they're not exactly going to be trusted to do everything that they could normally do if they were increadibly active- or even semi-active- right? I mean, you could be the most intelligent, gifted, and trustworthy person on this site- but if you're gone a month, everything you're doing halts. If you don't have the time, then you probably don't care enough- that's another idea behind what it could be. Regardless, I think it's a good modifier. I just think that it shouldn't be very weighted, unless Achronos comes and enlightens us that it has some level of "higher" purpose beyond what I've suggested.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos The prefixes mean different things. Some refer to you not being banned for a long time, some refer to you posting a lot, some refer to your account's age. They are not related to trust rating. There's already a thread about this elsewhere I believe. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CorvetteHalo3 Yeah I don't get the Noble, Fabled, etc factor either.[/quote][/quote] There is one thing I still don't understand. Why would you lose points for being inactive for a certain amount of time. If a member is always well behaved and helps people around the site. And that certain member took a vacation for a month why should his trust go down?
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I think members already have enough to brag about, titles, bringing an exact number into it might make matters worse. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RedNeon Lol, everyone must be PMing Achrons right now to see their trust rating.[/quote]Yeah... about that.... [Edited on 02.07.2009 6:33 AM PST]
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Who else thinks he waited to tell us his trust rating until after it was [i]over 9000[/i]?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RedNeon Lol, everyone must be PMing Achrons right now to see their trust rating.[/quote]Well considering it's 2:30 AM and Saturday, I doubt any will be getting responses.
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Lol, everyone must be PMing Achrons right now to see their trust rating.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] elmicker [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos And Rampancy, your number is 655. So there.[/quote] I think this is one time i can get away with posting "owned" while quoting Achronos.[/quote] Don't act like you don't wish you knew your number. ; )
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cryptic [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TOM T 117 EDIT: Also, banning myself with it annually isn't clever either![/quote]If the profile is permanently suspended, it wouldn't delete after a year of inactivity, thus making it unnecessary to sign in annually.[/quote] He accidentally signed into the email that he used to sign up with on the now-permabanned account, and then went to BNet, which caused Disembodied Soul to ban him for trying to bypass a ban.
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Only if negative titles were implemented. Else, down with this -blam!- of a system.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] just another fan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.[/quote] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik]It's over 9000![/url] I think that made mine drop a few points.[/quote] I so wanted to say that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos We already have one, although it is called "trust rating." It is what your title is based on. It could be used for other things, but we haven't bothered. And before you ask - it is a VERY good predictor of how much we trust the person in question to not be a bad apple, so to speak. I know this because the trust system was enabled a while before the titles were added, and observation bore out, with few exceptions, that it was a good algorithim. Additionally, it was self correcting - a trusted user acting badly lost his trust upon being banned or warned, so any outliers were quickly dealt with, by design. My trust rating is 9142 at the moment. Only superusers can see the numbers. Not even mods can see them. They're useless in their raw form, so you won't get to see them. The rating is calculated automatically, based on your actions on the site. You lose trust for having bans/warnings as well as being inactive. Bans/warnings also leave an extended "mark" on you that fades away over time - the longer the ban, the longer it takes after the ban is over for your trust rating to recover (we're talking months, not weeks).[/quote] This would explain why I am Legendary even though I got banned a bit more than I should have when I first joined up.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] just another fan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Achronos My trust rating is 9142 at the moment.[/quote] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik]It's over 9000![/url] I think that made mine drop a few points.[/quote] Yes.....yes you did
