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Edited by S0ulBearer:
5/26/2015 8:32:52 PM
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Destiny is a mass psychological experiment.
New thoughts: This game appears to be created as more of a mass psychological experiment by a psychology major than a game developer. Cleverly disguised by lack of monthly subscription, ingame transactions like all these mobile and Facebook games, and it's shiny graphics. The dlc literally got rid of that weekly reset that already causes the urge to go running back each week because, presumably the fact that it actually ENDS, once you do it you get the cool down period of being done and feel relieved. They have removed that in favor of a literally infinite grind that never stops, you can grind for 6 hours for a key you may never even get, in an attempt to do the endgame activity, instead of just building a team and going for the raid once a week per character like before. They just pulled the equivalent of slowly building a new heroin addict, giving him more and more, and then doubling the price on him knowing he can't get the same fix elsewhere.
This thought fits even stronger with the new dlc than ever before. When bungie realized how addicting iron banner reforging was, and how many materials everybody had, they gave us the ability to reforge and blow all our materials, a nearly infinite act that ensure even more continued grinding for materials once your stocks run out.
Trials of Osiris poses a daunting task, that can be made easier by buying items with a relatively limited material you will quickly run out of unless you have a team to blow through the 9 wins like it's nothing.
And all of the new armor only goes to, very specifically "year one" power levels. So guess what happens year two? A dangerous cycle of all outdated gear and a huge grind with their newfound ability to create infinite grinds. I've played grindy games before, I've played runescape before, I understand the concept of grinding games. But this game is downright maniupulative about it. not addicting you for being an awesome game that is nothing but fun, rewards, and awesome experiences (I can even mention the dreaded borderlands here if you want to mention constant rewards), but by manipulating your basic impulses, lack of diverse content (we all have lots of hours played, but how many times have you killed sepiks prime? No matter how much time you played that doesnt change this game is fluffed with the same content over and over, because they can get away with it), and disguising so well, this game looks like a psychology major got an A+. It doesn't even feel like it was created by an actual game developer.
And yes, I'm sure plenty of you will say "good bye, leave, nobody cares, you suck", whatever, but the point is I care, because I have been so invested, and I love the game. And I have also been hyper addicted. I am not exempt. I do not plan to leave. But I am forced to create a schedule for content I'm willing to do in a videogame or how much time I'm willing to invest, instead of being up till 5am everyday trying to grind out some nonsense. I want to like this game, and it's universe. But I'm slightly disgusted at the moment after this thought process.
Original post below:
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I love this game. I'm also addicted. and so are most of you, even though the Forums is full of denial. Thet started with weekly resets, farming sections, rng drops. Now have gone so far as to make unlimited time sinks with weapon rerolling that virtually never stops, farming for coins for ToO for boons you will constantly waste, and straight up removing Prison from the weekly reset to allow you to do it as much as you want, as long as you spend unbelievable hours farming keys. I was under the assumption each week would give us 3 keys at least, and the rest was for farmers. Works for everybody. I was wrong. ToO is fun as hell, but the boon material sink is killer once you run out and go 8-1 with no bonuses.
Again, I love this game, I have poured my soul into it for hours. But this has made me a little iffy about a game with "business practices" I was already a little iffy about. I put it in quotes as they didn't run for microtransactions, they made a game exactly like games with them and didn't add them in. Which I am greatful for but at the same time it puts this game in an awkward position. It's simply a Facebook game with amazing graphics and gameplay, but the systems underneath it mimic farmville and mafia wars entirely.
End pathetic nerd rant.
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5 RepliesLongface already pointed this out many months ago. Destiny is a Skinner Box.
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Wise words OP. Carrot on a string technique. Wake up, smell the coffee guys. Destiny is the ultimate grind fest full of boring recycled content with no end game goal. The cap will continue to raise with each new DLC/game. MMO games are awful, developed for addictive sheep. Play a real game that's actually enjoyable, won't lead to frustration. That game is called the witcher 3 ;)
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1 ReplyI can understand the logic behind it, it fits very well. Snug, even, if it were to have been done for this purpose. I've got mad ADD & screaming OCD, but had taken something from my Dr. with massive different results than 98% of other humans. Instead of knocking me out I was up all night organizing sh*t. Not even normal sh*t. Weird sh*t. He said I had an adverse reaction and I'm already hyper~addictive. So this game made my ever growing collection of PS3 games (160+) stop when I bought it. However, the case is just simply~ guys have cool space drama idea/turns into space action concept/company knows the name will sell so they back it/they make it/they sell it. That's probably all that is though... Good conception though, I love good conspiracy theories :)
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4 RepliesHail Hydra
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I played this game eveyday. I purchased the DLC day one. Played 4 to 6 hours a night. Have all exotics and three level 32 characters. I stopped playing a couple of weeks before HOW. I have not been back. No plans to play again.
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15 RepliesYou compared Destiny grind to Runescape grind... don't make me lol. Destiny takes less than a month to max your character. Runescape has 4,000 hours of gameplay just to max, not including hundreds of other activities.
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6 RepliesMaybe it's being used to widdle out who the dumb-blam!-s are? If it is I have a few names I'd like to contribute :3
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3 RepliesNot sure what the experiment would be trying to find that casinos don't already know. I agree with you about the use of psychological expertise but no more than to extend the lifespan of this game. The rng/gambling addiction is about all this game can stand on.
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Thats excatly what i said (to myself) the other day.
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1 ReplyIt's another step in Bungie's plan for world domination.
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1 ReplyIt's rewiring my brain and I can't stop. Blam it! Blam it all :-P
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2 RepliesDeej actually said before the release that Destiny was a huge social experiment.
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4 RepliesYou know most MMOs have been doing this for several years right?
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1 ReplyEdited by D-NICE: 5/27/2015 9:11:07 PM^^^This all day! I've forced myself to stop playing. I haven't played as much as some, but after a while you start to see the risk reward ratio is out of whack. I don't want everything handed to me, I want to earn it. But this game only minutely gives you that option with thorn or invective. Everything else is based on RNG, so there is no way to earn anything in the game besides grinding high level activities a hundred times over and hope you get something good. Plus before HoW everyone was grinding for the best gear in VoG and then TDB to reach the highest level in the game. Why it took bungie until House of Wolves to realize "maybe people want to upgrade all the weapons and armor to a highest level, instead of only using raid gear" is beyond comprehension. I'm being picky when I say that weapons and armor of rare status should be upgradable to legendary. Plus your characters level shouldn't be dependent on the armor you wear. Thats the most backward thing I've ever seen in my life. But now I'm ranting. I love Destiny, but I'm not going to check for it until this new expansion comes out. Then if that really doesn't make some big changes to this particular iteration of Destiny, I'll be waiting for Destiny 2 and see if Bungie got they're house in order and made the game most of us were expecting initially. Sorry for the wall of text. I'm just that passionate about this game.
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1 ReplyYeah I thought you knew world domination is on their to do list. This is old news.
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Oh yes it is lol...when you implement a social aspect of the game it is
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1 ReplyEdited by EnvyHorse: 5/27/2015 6:35:43 PMTL;DR nerf everything, collect salt.
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It's honestly messed up
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I felt invested into this game since I bought the season pass and such. I kept playing because I didn't want to fall behind when HoW dropped. Now that all DLC's that I paid for in advanced have dropped, my playtime has decreased dramatically.
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4 RepliesI actually agree and after this last dlc there is no possible way of me getting everything done in a weeks time. Before the dlc I'd be finished by Thursday if I was efficient but I almost always had Sunday and Monday to just play crucible for fun or helping friends.
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1 ReplyMeh pick and choose your 'errands' Not like you get banned for not completing the nightfall every week
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16 RepliesThe game is built around longevity and it's obviously working. That's it. No conspiracy involved. You'd rather play it, shelve it, and be done? At least they are giving you reasons to keep playing.
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I agree
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1 ReplyAha! I knew it! [spoiler]What did we find out exactly?[/spoiler]
