Some people just like to collect gear (like myself) which is why I've always participated in Iron Banner Events. I mostly did it so I could be Level 32 without looking like everyone else. Now that's not really a problem since people can Ascend any Legendary armor. But I also did it for the weapons. I use Efrideet's Spear, Felwinter's Lie and Jolder's Hammer in [b]PvE[/b] because they all have top of their class impact. I re-rolled all my IB weapons for good PvE perks. I like to have the best gear for PvE even if that means I've gotta play PvP to get it. Unfortunately there's just not enough time (for someone with a life) to become a master of PvP and PvE and get everything done every week, so I choose to spend my time getting Raids done every week rather than playing Crucible. If the lag and disconnections weren't so bad, maybe I would play it outside of events like Iron Banner and the Trials. But it's already frustrating enough dealing with the lack of variety in the Crucible (same maps, everyone uses the same weapons and tactics) so I don't need to deal with lag and error codes too. But I do it anyway, in hopes of getting some gear that the majority of players won't have. It's not about being a "special snowflake" it's just that I'm a collector and a completionist. I like to have everything. So you have people like me, who don't consider themselves PvP players, playing Iron Banner & the Trials to get the gear. It's not that we want to be there but we go in anyway because we are dedicated. So all the elitist PvP players that tell us to stay out only fuel our drive to succeed. We might not be as "skilled" as them when it comes to spamming The Last Word, Thorn and the Vex Mythoclast, but we know how to run the Aegis (Relic) and Sword of Crota. We've carried scrubs through raids, Nightfalls, and Weekly Heroic Strikes. We've dealt with all the weapon nerfs that PvP players cried for. We've had to grind away at bounties and do patrols to get our Faction Shaders. So don't call PvE players "casuals" and tell us to stay out of PvP. This game is 90% PvE so we are the majority. We might be getting shit on by Bungie because they'd rather "balance" weapons based on PvP but that hasn't and won't stop us from adapting and prevailing. We are the [b]real[/b] hardcore players because we like to experience everything the game has to offer. The Crucible "tryhards" that haven't done a Raid are the real "casuals". [spoiler]*mic drop*[/spoiler]