I have to agree. I have a solid group and we all have 3 different characters, all 32's, and go through it three times. We're not professionals, but we're pretty salty. The normal raid mode is fun- we know where we need to be, what we need to do- the raid takes about 35 minutes- we get through all 3 in less than 2 hours. We go to hard mode- we get through the first 3 checks without issue but getting Crota is still something that usually evades us. Its happened a couple of times when all of the planets were in line with the Mayan long count. And when it has-- its usually taken 2 hours just for that last part. With the patch and the "fixes" we approached with renewed enthusiasm only to find not much has changed. The only thing I can say I have seen corrected is we haven't had the sword just disappear (which happened a lot). However--Crota not registering blink strikes, people getting dropped and having to rejoin, Boomers shooting invisible people (which seems to only occur from the left side), Crota not going down despite multiple rockets on him, etc. the mechanics still don't seem to be where they should. One time that door opened and the Sword bearer took off for the Ogre tower like he was riding a Segway. (we did have a laugh at that) But bottom line- for this old gamer, its just not fun and more work than what its worth. For now, we have a new plan- we're going to run normal mode and then hard up to the last check--try it three times, and if no luck- bail. Honestly I was disappointed that there wasn't a new raid in HoW-- but playing last night I realized that if there was one and it was jacked up as much as this one has proven to be we would likely start playing something else. Just checked my stat tracker because I said a "couple of times" but got to thinking and its actually only once. What is telling is that on normal mode I have 8 completions to 10 hours play time- for hard mode I have 1 completion to 9 hours game time. Maybe I should take up golf.