It may take you 15 minutes to find a raid, but with people being as picky as they are with their fireteam (which is ok) some other people might not find it as easy to find a raid team. Also, it's still silly that we need to find a third party site to find people for our team. This needs to be addressed. That's why we need both Private and Public. This feature doesn't need to affect people like you; the point of this thread is to add a feature that will benefit others. Not specifically you but other people who don't raid as often for reasons related to matchmaking. The point is to keep what we already have and then expand on the features we already have for Strikes and Weekly. Not get rid of one and have the other, but have both coexisting.

It takes me 15 minutes because I always start my own fire team. As long as their characters are raid ready people will tolerate a lack of experience and a few wipes. But if someone is bad and cannot live through confluxes to save their life then maybe they do not have the skill to raid. No amount of matchmaking will fix lack of player skill or under geared players.

How the hell does it take you 15 minutes to start your own fireteam? By using these recruitment forums I have found people for a full team in 2 minutes and at most 5 minutes. I can't imagine literally sitting there for a full 15 minutes trying to get a team together; it's just ridiculous.

15 minutes from listing to being in game with a full group.

That sounds optimistic of you; to assume that people will be kind enough to tolerate inexperienced Destiny players into their fireteam. This is not always the case. People can be booted from being a "squeaker" to being a girl to even owning a Gally! Seen them all first hand. If only all people thought as optimistically as you, raiding would be much different. Trust me. People are not always lucky enough to find a fireteam in 15 minutes. And honestly, you can't blame some players for wanting to jump right into the action instead of taking 15 minutes to find a fireteam, another 15 in the tower waiting for all of them to get their gear together, another 5 in Orbit and then finally playing. Games nowadays are about instant gratification; in surprised Destiny missed that feature in only perhaps the most important activity in the game. Also, maybe people are bad because they haven't had a chance to raid? Let's be honest, who would you rather recruit: someone who says they've done a raid several times or someone who claims to never have raided or they're really bad at it or have bad weapons and want to raid to get better gear? Maybe YOU might help some people out but in all honestly, people will choose the guys with some experience already over the newbies. It's fair and understandable. It's like finding a job. You're expected to have some work experience before you apply for s job but how will you get some job experience if you don't even have a job?! Even if someone doesn't have the skill to raid as you put it, that doesn't mean that portion of the game should be denied to them. Hell, I'm bad at Iron Banner but you'll see me playing it this week. No one can tell me to stay out of. I paid for the game so I am entitled to it. Sorry for the people who are teamed up with me. That's why some people handpick their Crucible teams too. It's understandable! Please understand that while adding something like Public matchmaking might not benefit you or might not suit you, it also shouldn't affect people like you. So this shouldn't be an issue for people like you. The point of this suggestion is to [b]keep both Public and Private matchmaking, [/b]not take one and replace it with the other like Weekly did. People are entitled to their opinions and they're welcome to handpick their team and come with the most amazing Raid team ever. For the rest of us who are a bit more laid back or are not as "good" as raiding, this is a great chance for us to get out feet wet and give raiding a chance. Maybe we'll eventually get good at it! Maybe we'll even find a permanent fireteam while playing with random people. Who knows? Like I said, it's been proven less than half of the Destiny population doesn't raid. Perhaps it's because raiding is the most inaccessible and unfriendly feature of the game? Bungie could fix this by adding an already existing feature of this game to the raids WHILE keeping those expert raiders happy. It's about keeping your current clients happy while appealing to new ones. Simple as that. Edit: Dang, sorry for the long post. Didn't realize how long it was until I posted it, haha.

[b][i][u]No one can kick you from a fire team that you start.[/u][/i][/b] Embrace your gonads be social and [b]start the fire team your self. [/b] Leading is scary, stepping up is nerve racking; but if you want to get something done in this game not having a Ghorn or being 14 is not going to stop you. There are plenty of videos on youtube and streams on twitch showing how to complete VoG or CE. So even if you have never done the raid there is no reason to not know what to do. Getting ready for the raid is simple. You get vendor legendaries level them by doing the dailies and you max them out. No one cares if you are level 31 in VoG. They do care if you try to bring blue guns and armor.

Alright, seems like you're taking this somewhere it's not supposed to go. I understand what you're saying but I don't know I'm getting the point across, sadly. So I'll just say this one more time: [b]this feature is not meant for people like you.[/b] If you don't support it, that's fine. That's why we're trying to keep the feature that we already have and the add another one. Adding Public matchmaking is not just to make awkward and not social gamers happy. It goes beyond that. I've explained it before. A feature like this would literally have no effect on you. It wouldn't stop you from playing, it wouldn't mean the forums would be deserted, it wouldn't mean it would break the game. People will always continue to look for their own fireteam. Hell, they still do it for Weekly and Strikes, for Petes sake. If anything, more people will have access to those raid exclusive items. And that's good. I understand where you're coming from. Again, if you don't support this, that's fine. Duly noted. That's also not going to change the status of this thread. Now let's just move on, alright?