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Edited by ArchangelLBC:
3/14/2015 7:05:00 PM
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The truth behind the "2.5%" nerf.
So, Bungie once again misled us. As you can see from the video, hardlight took over a 6% nerf in PvE and depending on your muzzle up to a 9% effective nerf in PvP. Suros regime is looking at almost a 14% effective nerf across the board.
That's a hell of a lot more than 2.5%. The only rationalization I can see for this was that all your defenders would say both before and after that it was only 2.5%. Before I couldn't really argue. Now though, that number is just a flat out lie.
If you wanted to effectively flip pulse rifle and auto rifle damage, well you had the right to do so and you did. But could you at least be adult enough to be honest about the real numbers?
Edit: Abyss Defiant was doing 348 headshots to tier one enemies, and now it's 326 which is a 6.3% decrease. Anyone have numbers for Necrochasm?
I'm getting different reports that seem to show that the low impact weapons got slapped with a 7% nerf. Any actual numbers appreciated since we know Bungie won't bother.
Edit 2: For the sake of laziness, this is my thread for today's open house thing in 15 minutes.
Edit 3: [url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tTMPEAOhYplzPIA4B07pBhQ/htmlview] Weapon damage in PvP[/url]
Thanks to Superbustamove for bringing this to my attention and exxtrooper for actually compiling the data. This is a spreadsheet of damage in PvP pre and post patch. Be warned that it's PvP so rounding errors can make nerfs seem bigger or smaller than they are. Nevertheless the average isn't 2.5%.
Edit 4: Superbustamove also provided the original reddit post he found the spreadsheet at. Again this is mostly a PvP thread, but the info is still way more complete than anything we have had before.
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2ugaok/indepth_weapons_sats_spreadsheet_for_pvpttk/]Original reddit thread[/url]
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1 ReplyThe "2.5%" thing was a massive manipulation of wording. The base damage fell off 2.5%, but that doesn't include the range fall off which was quite severe. Bungie apparently wants to balance weapons so every weapons does the exact same amount of damage at every range, so all weapons are used evenly. That's really what it sounds like from their wording.
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Oh and here's a thought for everyone to ponder. If this "change" was Bungie's ideology for Auto Rifles, why wasn't this the case when the game was released over six months ago? Think about it, I think some BS detectors will be going off once you go down that line of thought.
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Auto rifles weren't op to start with never die to them. Suros is the only questionable auto rifle but even it doesn't bother me and i have it. I prefer handcannons
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They have to nerf the ar for pvp without a nerf for pve. Nobody is using AR in pve now. That's not the thing you want to change, Bungie!?!
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Can you, please, support this form post: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/105469487/0/0 [b]#StopNerfingPvEForPvP[/b]
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Edited by Fowlertime: 3/1/2015 6:41:11 AMTruth is auto rifles make me feel like im shooting an airsoft gun since the update, major useless they are dead to me. Being a hangcannon guy and working on the croata auto seems pointless now. Been playing since day one and these updates keep getting more and more pointless. All of this could have been balanced with a proper beta test. Baffles me how developers don't look at the counter strike production model through the beta and take some -blam!-ing notes. They made it balanced and its still the number 1 fps in the world. And yes it made tons of -blam!-ing money Sucks paying to be a ginny pig so they can nerf some bullshit every other month. Over it This games so boring at this point , nothing new Just grind bounty exp for said gun Now we nerfed said gun.... In retrospect I played nuke 2 1000 times and it somehow never got old. With so much to look at and so little to offer. Dang
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17 RepliesHaving the pleasure of a video game ruining your lives this much probably means you're all living pretty well. Worrying about a Nerf here and there seems a lot better than worrying about taxes and groceries.
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1 ReplyI honestly don't think anything needed nerfed. I think certain weapons needed buffed
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4 RepliesThe fact that the Vanquisher, a once good gun in pvp, now takes an entire clip of 22 bullets to just barely kill someone is just -blam!-ing ridiculous. I, probably along with many other players feel that they really -blam!-ed up this time. Crucible is not even good anymore its should just be called "use a shotgun or gtfo"
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Unbelievable. Turning auto rifles, the go to shooter weapon, into pellet shooting sub machine guns. Close range effectiveness for a rifle, especially shooting at the fire rate of the Suros, is mind numbingly stupid. Added to the fact that if you consider most tough engagements happen at a distance where the Suros is garbage. Once an enemy is that close to you, shotgun or fusion rifle is the weapon of choice, not a slow firing auto rifle.
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3 RepliesI want the guns to be un nerfed and returned to normal please. Why keep changing the guns? There was no reason to. Everyone has the same option in what we choose. what weapons to use and if you don't have it get it.
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1 ReplyI know this was for the open house but it has some great points. I hope you don't mind but i linked it in a post in "Destiny" to inform people of the actual nerf that took place.
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1 ReplyLol... So I thought about the justification used when they both buffed the PRs while nerfing ARs. They said that they wanted to encourage people to use different weapons more (pulse rifles). Yet between all the legendaries in the faction shops there is two pulse rifles. What's even better is that I was using pulse rifles almost exclusively through the campaign and didn't switch until I got my first legendary weapon around lvl 24 and of course I passed the weapons on to my other characters. For some reason I couldn't get a decent AR for the life of me. Finally I managed to grind enough rank and save enough marks so I could finally enjoy the satisfaction of playing with an AR and as soon as I got it, before I can even level it up, they decide to nerf it the next day. I just hope I can level up my Thorne before they nerf that into being useless also.
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Bump.
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Honestly this Weapons Nerf was a way to change the weapons table, show some love to one gun while thebothersnarebhurt and get their love taken, Auto Rifles are just bad now, I feel like im using the Khvostov against Crota when i play Crucible, its sort of made the guns unbalanced, Pulse rifles are making a comeback (yay!!) But auto rifles arent even Auto rifles, Theyre Nerf rifles, it takes almost a whole mag WITH precision damage just to kill 2 people, If there was a 3% damage buff to Auto Rifles before House of Wolves, ill be happy, or elsebi would have started to use Auto Rifles for no reason...
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This might honestly be an issue. ARs are basically gone from the maps. Idk, maybe they just need to lengthen ttk on all weapons to compensate for lag
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1 Replythe super fast rof ARs with super low damage already have a crappy stability. high impact low rof ones also have to low of a clip for my tastes. the only decent1 in the group is located within the middle. but why nerf the class as a whole when it is just the exotics every1 seems to be complaining about?
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If anything auto rifles need a buff. It makes a clip to down a major I can kill in 3 hand cannon shots
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1 ReplyPlus I'm getting two shot by the bad juju now, that's worst than last word.
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