I like the gameplay in destiny (PVE and PVP)......but the pve side is too much of a grind, even simple tasks in the tower like upgrading gear while in your storage isn't user friendly. Other games are way less of a hassle and this is what will ultimately lead to destiny's fate when people get tired of it and can't justify their investment anymore. Don't get me wrong I like re-playing stuff on different difficulties......just not for eternity, and the GRINDFEST is only strengthened by the fact that unless you get some sort of jaded greater self-worth out of completing hard heroics solo........than you probably are like me and think it's complete garbage that you need to invite someone you don't know to help do stuff.....only to have them back out at the last minute. I went back to BF4 after I saw the premium edition for $30 on sale for download. I still have destiny.......but it's not a game worth investing 100% of my time into anymore just to do the same thing over and OVER......and OVER.......Again !