I've thought this too. At this point everything surrounding the raids is purely speculation. People talk about them as if they are a part of bungie and have been attempting them. Let's be realistic, this likely won't be a full blown mmo raid type experience due to the fact there's only one super and one melee ability which means the skill juggling and timing aspect is out the window, I think it will come down to everyone's tactical awareness more than anything. But until it's out and we've given it a go nobody will be able to tell.

I think juggling supers will be a huge thing in raids honestly

Okay well let's look at the facts, you've never played them either. Don't say something needs to be added or bitch about it before you've tried the system that was made by other game devs made for raiders which, BUNGIE has pulled from to make the raids in DESTINY.

Meh, this was already addressed in a related form and answered. I'm just going to copy/paste the relevant answer since you couldn't be bothered to read the other replies. "If I need to know something about the game the person should at least have some experience of said game to back it up. If they lack experience, then "need" in the title is being used incorrectly."

No he's posting relevant information which yes isn't fact, but bungie has said time and time again that they are pulling inspiration from mmo style raids, they are making the hardest content they have ever made, this was meant to be played in a close group in order to complete, and to be considered a "raid" it needs to follow certain guide lines to be considered one. I've said this before and I'll say it again, bungie from the get go has named things hesitantly, what do I mean? For starters they avoid being called an mmo like a pelage, and my self and a lot of other major news sources have chocked this up to not wanting the bad publicity. They did not pull the term dungeon from other games and instead coined the term strike which are smaller and not as hard. So if they are using the word raid they need to follow up with what that word brings with it. Sure not all info from other styles of raids can be used to describe how destiny's raids should be but the bare bones should still fit, and reading through what he had said [b]most[/b] of it is just that, the bare bones of raiding.

[quote]to be considered a "raid" it needs to follow certain guide lines to be considered one.[/quote] I'm looking for something to back that statement. A set of guidelines from an independent third party that all raids, regardless of developer, must follow for it to be considered a raid. Blizzard's definition and "changelogs" (for lack of other words) won't cut it unless those are universally agreed guidelines, with source to agreements. Don't worry, I'll be patient while you go find it. Kthx. Edit.. Ffs, replied to wrong post. Oh well, at least it's the right person.

To be honest you won't find a set list of guide lines to follow, in it's own community they are already considered common sense, much like trying to google "what is a car" your not going to find a list composed of a 1000 different groups of people which clearly list each and every point an object has to have in order to be considered a car, it's a simple flaw in what is considered common sense. Now what you will find is a list one person has made which might state things like, it needs to have four wheals, it needs to have an engine, it needs to have a way to control it, ect ect ect. Similar to this if you go to several forums you will find people who have comprised lists of what a raid should detail and contain in order to be considered a raid and what it needs to be successful. Look at enough and you will find a pattern, that pattern then leads to a small list you have now comprised your self which states what as a whole people consider to be a gaming raid. If you want I will comprise a list for you, based of what I as a raider of which has experience in a multitude of different gaming raids consider to be common knowledge, other raiders are welcome to judge and criticize my list so you know you are not being lead on.

Well, in all fairness you did say there needed to be guidelines for a raid to be considered a raid. If I read your response correctly, there are no such guidelines to apply to everything called a raid, just what Blizzard considers a raid. Unfortunately, this isn't a Blizzard forum nor is this a Blizzard game. Lacking guidelines, the dev could be free to place their own creative freedom on something, call it a raid and that's that. Can't really contest the name (or prove it can be defined as such) with nothing to fall back on. In that case, I wonder how much other information you have provided that is not entirely accurate but conveyed as fact. No need to answer. Just think on it instead.

Incorrect good sir, I have never said you'd be able to openly and freely search and hound these guidelines down and as I said before I'd be glad to show you similar articles from other devs besides blizzard. Which to be how at if you want to talk the whole, if you show a true definition then it has no meaning I might add a word has no meaning until it is taught to you right? You might say something like words are easily defined unlike the term raiding as I've tried to argue, but who determines what what that means? Let me give you an example, soda pop, in belen New Mexico where I was raised it was called coke, coke was a general term for soda pop, here in rawlins Wyoming it is just poo, say coke and they will bring you a coke. Say pop in New Mexico and they will look at you like a moron before askin you what kinda coke you want, does this make sense? Let's bring that out even farther. You go to japan and tell them you'd like a crab dumpling, they'll look at you like your speaking another langue, mostly because you are, see their your words have no meaning they can not just be googled (we all know translator messes up everything you type into do to language barriers) and it can not just be defined in a simple organize the list. Your word have no meaning unless every one around you agrees they do, correct? This is called common knowledge, and as I said before the criteria as to what is a raid and what isnt is already considered common knowledge and isn't something that is just shared with any one out side that community, why? Becuase you need to experience it to understand. Stamp a raid sticker on something tell every one it's going to be awesome and hard to attract e group then give them something "new and creative" which isn't a raid and those people who follow that community will make sure that same raiding community knows that it's a load of shit never trust bungie again. See what I'm saying now? It has a meaning, it had guidelines weather or not you can find them simply written down to be followed, and if those are not followed then those who flocked to it will shun it for what it is, a child in a grown ups mask. So again I'd be glad to share with you the common knowledge I've gathered from my 6 years of raiding in various games, and if you'd rather stick to your guns and say unless you can see it in black and white for every one to miss understand made my some one like my self writing an article to those out side the community, then don't hold your breath.

Source for guidelines please. Edit: people keep mentioning them, and either Google hates me or no such guidelines exist.

They can either do things right and he is right or do things wrong and we have a borderland2 clone. Bungie can fail. But I sure hope it will not. If you are hoping for a FPS reskinned lvl please stop think bungie are a failure

You assume incorrectly. I am merely asking how much experience someone has with raids in Destiny. If I need to know something about the game the person should at least have some experience of said game to back it up. If they lack experience, then "need" in the title is being used incorrectly.

What do you expect from a raid in destiny? What will be the challenge for complete it?

My expectations are not relevant to the conversation.

I'd say they are. Or you are just trolling

You are welcome to think whatever you feel to be the truth.

No one have experience with raid in destiny BUT this don't means you can't get a clear idea of what to expect 1) concept of raid is quite clear trought games even if someone misuse the term. So you can be used to raids. The real question is if destiny's raids will be real raids or not. For what a raid is refer to the link you didn't saw 2) they take off MM that for normal fps lvl is nonsense but it's right if they bring true raids 3) 16h long of play and fail from a pro fps team is highly likely for a real raid and unlikely for fps level 4) they said themselves that they want to bring riding in the game So you are just clinching to nothing to evade a conversation in which you have no basis and the other part have

The usage of the word "need" coupled with the writing style all directs this post as factual. If the OP lacks experience with Destiny raids, it is speculative rather than fact just like your video (which I did watch, there you go assuming things again). Thus, the information is not required to know (or "needed to be known" to keep thing consistent) as the accuracy cannot be verified. For point 2, I have no idea what you are saying. I hate to ask, is English your native language? For point 3, a single case is not a valid sample size. A variety of factors could have contributed to the failure, unfamiliarity with the game being one. Point 4: a raid can be defined as whatever the game dev feels it should be. While inspiration may have been sought from other games does not mean it will be an exact match to *insert game here* nor will all of the same knowledge apply. Now, are you about done?

[quote]The usage of the word "need" coupled with the writing style all directs this post as factual. If the OP lacks experience with Destiny raids, it is speculative rather than fact just like your video (which I did watch, there you go assuming things again). Thus, the information is not required to know (or "needed to be known" to keep thing consistent) as the accuracy cannot be verified.[/quote] I posted a 20 min video and you answer come after 8 min. Wow [quote]For point 2, I have no idea what you are saying. I hate to ask, is English your native language?[/quote] Not it's not. I try again. Bungie are not idiots. If they didn't put MM they have a reason. If they are just making a FPS lvl the choice have no sense. So this hint they are implementing a RAID [quote]For point 3, a single case is not a valid sample size. A variety of factors could have contributed to the failure, unfamiliarity with the game being one.[/quote] Could but it's unlikely. It's not definitive proof but it's still hinting they are making a true RAID [quote]Point 4: a raid can be defined as whatever the game dev feels it should be. While inspiration may have been sought from other games does not mean it will be an exact match to *insert game here* nor will all of the same knowledge apply.[/quote] False. The word RAID has a meaning. It means a challenge based not only on usage of you character but in a challenge based on a puzzle. You have guidelines for a RAID and bungie declared they wanted to bring RAIDS in this game. While it's true that you can make a FPS lvl and call it raid it won't be a RAID. We can assume from many proofs put together that bungie want to make a RAID not a FPS lvl and call it raid. Since they want to bring RAIDS we have guidelines to expect. Those are needed to know if we are talking about RAIDS. However there is the chance they fail this challenge and make not a RAID but a FPS lvl. Bit don't think that something different from a RAID could hold off a pro team for 16h. They could know they have failed and have given underpowered gear and made it unfairly impossible. True, they could. But I don't think it's probable