Im pretty sure this game is going to be so epic, that every player is going to be compelled to want to experience every angle of every dynamic and function of the game to its entirety.

Preach it brotha!

My dear friends; Let us keep in mind that this is a game. A very good game. But a game none the less. You play when you can, with whom ever you can and to whatever level your abilities take you. But remember, it is a game. Games are supposed to be fun in some way, shape, or form. This is not mandatory, it is not work (except for Deej). It is akin to reading a good book. I play late a night after my wife is in bed for 3-4 hours sometimes and if I binge play I take some time off, cause it is only a game. I've never completed all the achievements in any game I own. Why some I just cannot get and you know what, it doesn't matter. So have fun, or phun (ph=f in phone) or even more ghun (gh = f in enough) Nuff said

[quote]I have a job, wife, family, school...[/quote] I personally don't care that there isn't MM for Raids, but it's funny how people complain about not having enough friends when they haven't even thought about the time it will take to complete a Raid. If you don't have the time, don't even bother complaining about the fact that there is no MM.

This is a very good topic. I'm really enjoying the different point of views. My intake is: if you can't play the raids, you still have other modes to have fun with. It's not like you will Raid every time you play Destiny. If you want to take your time and play on a raid then make the time for it. A day off, let the wife know and make it happen. But I'm sure that Bungie will not modify a whole mode of the game just because people with families and kids don't have enough time to play.

To be honest... Don't paid more... Probably a lot. That just about covers the bit of extra content ps owners get. You think you are paying as much as a ps user, but you aren't. Playstation probably payed enough to add about $5 to every purchase pfficially "lending" every playstation owner a few bucks for their purchase.

I like the fact that there is no matchmaking, people wont be crying cause they cant get through the raids cause they have no communication and then blame bungie cause its to hard, or that there anti social and they cant get 5 friends together to do the content, raids are for hardcore players, if your not dedicated then your not even going to be able to step in front of the vault of glass, little less get through with a bunch of people who don't know what the hell they are doing and have no communication to work together and find out what to do

Bump. This.

I'm so sorry. I'll cancel, so I won't contaminate you're game with the "wrong type" of players.

Didn't you hear? Raids were patched to check your friends list. If you don't have X amount of friends playing Destiny, then you are unable to enter any raid.

this^

I think everyone has the right to complain but you are right in saying that raids are for the more hardcore destiny player.

This is the definition of entitlement. The fact is you DO have access to the entire game. It just isn't going to be handed to you on a silver platter. Do we need a better way to find players to party up raid with? Yes. Is matchmaking the only solution? No. Does not having matchmaking mean Bungie hates you? No.

No one has played the game yet, it's silly when they say something is broken before even opening the box.

I would not care about no matchmaking (although I think it should be added because this game is not an MMO as advertised) if you could organize in game, which you can't. It plays like a shooter, has even less social features then most shooters, yet wants people to treat it like an MMO. They have to decide, have MMO like tendencies to exclude people but make it so you have the features to give people who don't troll forums for friends a chance to get together in game OR accept it's going to be an always online borderlands. Right now the devs are going for a feature lacking in-between. The way it is now I think what is going to happen is the following. Remembering this is a console shooter I think the first one will sell very well, then regular people will have fun but wonder why you can't talk to people or find groups in game and after finishing the story and doing the strikes will quit. After a few months those regular people who don't think grinding daily quests is fun will quit and the remaining will buy the expansions. Then those people will get to the end game (raids) and see they can't get organized for it in game and quit once it gets too repetitive. After that you are left with the minority who don't mind joining clans in forums and do the raids. I don't see the sequel selling well as it stands now, they expect too much out of replacing in game features with social media and apps. It's not going to work if they want the IP to grow over time and not sell a ton at launch and then die before the sequel comes out. To me the following is missing INGAME (not forums) before this IP can have a long life.This is all basic MMO features. -A real party system (easy to know who is in your groups, no need to go to PSN etc.) -Same for clan, as it is I have to have everyone in the clan on my PSN friend list to group up in destiny...I went 10 years with only real life friends on there...now all of a sudden I need to add people because of one game without the features to match it's ambitions, makes no sense -Global chat channels or/and looking for group interface with keyboard support -Automatic voice chat in groups as an option. I love the potential of the game but right now it's all potential, hopefully these things will get fixed. This "that's how it is deal with it" attitude when it comes to have features outside the game won't make for long time success especially on consoles. They will lose half their potential long term customers who contrary to people used to PC games won't think they will fix it later and just quit.