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8/1/2014 7:09:45 AM
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Oh my, I just posted this in another thread as well but I'll put it here for you to read too:
We need matchmaking for raids.
When you have a full time job and maybe a family too your gaming time isn't very flexible anymore, and finding 5 [b]friends [/b]playing Destiny,[b] leveled high and geared well enough[/b] and [b]willing [/b]to do the raid with you [b]during that exact same 1-2 hour time window[/b] is unnecessary hard really.
And I'll have a clan with lots of people in it, but I'm still worried, because we will have members from all over the world with [b]different time zones, jobs, families[/b] and hence not always the same playing times.
Also, to all the people complaining about how randoms *could* destroy the experience of a raid by quitting or not playing well:
What kind of an ignorant and elitist attitude is that? You realize you don't have to play with randoms even it they do add matchmaking? If you have enough friends always on you can always play raids with them exclusively and not with randoms.
However, try thinking about how glad you'd be if Bungie added matchmaking to raids should you ever have that team of 5 people ready for a raid and just can't find that 6th player on that particular day.
BUNGIE PLEASE ADD MATCHMAKING. DON'T RUIN THE EXPERIENCE FOR MANY OF US BY NOT LETTING US TAKE PART IN THE END GAME. PLEASE.
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[url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=123373556&postcount=1085]Here, Bungie Lead Designer Luke Smith on Raid MM:[/url] [quote]I understand everyone's frustration about the decision to not have matchmaking in a post-matchmaking world. I also understand the limitations that this places on the activity's adoption at scale. That barrier to entry - the requirement that you get a group of people together and venture into something that is going to challenge your ability to work together (first) and your thumbs (second) - is a barrier I was willing to erect to preserve the activity goals. Bleeding edge hardcore groups will invest some significant amount of time in figuring out the encounters and making their way through the Vault. I fully expect groups to beat Normal mode in the first week its available. This is intentional, I'd like any group that is motivated and willing to cooperate to make their way through the Raid on Normal. I've talked some about thumbskill challenge vs. investment challenge vs. cooperation challenge in some interviews, and the Normal Raid difficulty prioritizes cooperation challenge and investment challenge. I expect Hard mode to take longer. Once your group learns the encounters, you will be able to get through the Raid significantly faster than 3 hours. However, the first time through, learning everything and arranging your group will take some hard-to-predict amount of time until some clan releases their strategies on YouTube. The Vault of Glass is in many ways an activity that will build groups from the disparate people who come together to try and make their way through it. It's very much a team-building exercise. If you're going to stream it this Fall, please feel free to let me know here. I'd love to tune in.[/quote]
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Just gonna throw this out there, if you don't have the time to invest (I.e. 2+ hours) you are not doing anyone any favors and you will most likely never see the end of the raid. The raid is not for you. Simple as that. Even with a matchmaking system, that doesn't guarantee you will get matched in under 30 minutes even, you have still pointed out that you lack the time to even finish the raid. You are already going in half committed and will eventually be a burden in your team when they leave and need to find a replacement, then the said replacement has missed out on every portion of the raid you have already completed. How is any of this fair to your random team mates or the poor sap that takes your place ?
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Why are soo many people soo ready to fail miserably? The same irrelevant points are continuously brought up over and over and over again as if they lack any sort of reading comprehension. IF YOU CAN'T MAKE TIME FOR THE RAID BECAUSE OF YOUR WORK/KIDS/FRIENDS/ETC, then IT ISN'T MEANT FOR YOU! It's as simple as that. The OP clearly explains why raid matchmaking is a problem. It defeats the purpose of the challenge of a raid. A random set of match-made Guardians....of whom probably aren't properly geared...of whom probably won't communicate very well.....of whom will be there possibly just to troll....will have about as much chance as a snowball in Hell. YOU WILL NOT BEAT THE RAID with a match-made group. Do you really want to be ridiculously frustrated all of the time? Lets say you keep banging your head against the wall, and continue to fool yourself into believing that you and this random set of people can succeed. What happens after a couple more days of infuriating failure??? You start finding excuses....you start blaming it on the game. "This isn't fair" "Now that I got my pointless raid matchmaking that I whined about, I now want Bungie to nerf this raid so that any random set of douche bags can win!" Learn to adapt. If you want something bad enough....then figure it out. Accept the fact that Bungie isn't going to cater to your every pussified whim, and put your head down and do something the hard way. The payoff is worth it. So tired of the whining....
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Yes, and I'm in grad school, work a part time job, and play on two D-1 competitive soccer clubs... I'll find time to raid. Written by H0RSE: [quote]Sorry, but this, more or less, are how raids work. You don't go on a Raid based on a whim or boredom. You plan for them, you schedule them, and at the very least, you have a roster of experienced, known players, ready to help you out. You seem to be getting frustrated at something you don't fully understand. Raids don't behave like Strikes or even a pvp match, where random matchmaking can be viable. Like the OP said, Raids are a different beast. Raids tend to be the creme de la creme in games like this, in terms of challenge, in terms of preparation, in terms of time required, rewards granted, and even bragging rights. Hell, most raids have requirements before you can even enter, whether it be a key or some other item, a high enough gear score, or whatever else.[/quote]
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Edited by Dom: 8/1/2014 8:57:31 AMIt's not about finding time to do something, it's about finding when 5 of your friends have time as well that exact moment. Try that when you have kids with 5 other people that have kids too and work full time. Stop being ignorant. You have nothing to lose, if you don't want to play raids with randoms you don't have to, even if there is matchmaking. And comments about bragging rights and stuff just show what you guys against MM are really afraid of: Everybody being able to raid, which is of course bad for people with ego problems that get their satisfaction from bragging. "ZOMG I am so skilled I stomp n00bz because I can do raids!!!!!1!!". laughable Sorry to burst your bubble, but chances are you're nothing special. Get off your high horse and spare me with your elitist attitude.
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Doesn't understand raid parameters. Calls me ignorant.
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Haha I don't understand raid parameters?? I've done enough raids to know what I'm talking about, sometimes even with randoms and new people. It can be fun and you sometimes meet good players through it. But the point is: YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRY A RAID WITH RANDOMS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. But you probably know that and and just want a raid system with limited access for your ego.
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No. If you knew what raiding was, you wouldn't ask for a matchmaking system. Go do your other activities in and out of games and leave the raiding to real raiders.
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Edited by Dom: 8/1/2014 3:54:52 PMlol @ "the real raiders". You guys with ego problems are so funny. I'm pretty sure I've participated in more raids than you in all the time I am gaming now. You're nothing special, but you probably think you are. I bet I can beat a raid in Destiny with 4 friends and 1 random. But I can understand people like you prefer to keep raiding more private. I mean you gotta have something to brag about, right?
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lolz. I am nothing special. I'm 34yrs old. I'm married. I have 2 kids. I'm slightly over weight given that I work between 50 and 60 hours a week at a desk. And when I'm not playing with my kids or doing yard work or [i]pleasing my wife,[/i] I'm playing videogames. Nothing special about my life, for sure. Rather average, I'd have to agree. [b]But I'm also pretty certain you haven't raided anywhere close to the time I have or you wouldn't be asking for this feature, son.[/b]
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Edited by Dom: 8/1/2014 4:05:15 PMJust I added something to my above post. Exactly the same here, 30, married with kids... So what? You're ignorant if you think somebody has less experience at something than you because he has a different opinion. Get off your high horse. [b]I know how many raids I have participated in my life. Yet I still say we need MM.[/b] I'd rather play a raid with 4 friends and 1 random than not being able to play it at all should I just not be able to find that 5th team mate.
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NO. There's no way that you've raided hardcore end game content and walked away saying "Oh yeah, I could totally do that again with anybody." Bungie has said that they will make you do things in a raid that you've never done in a shooter before. I think that's a REALLY important thing to understand. People complaining about a lack of raid matchmaking are only able to conceive difficulty from the perspective of an FPS. They think it's only about "killing stuff faster" and that's just not how raids really work. You need communication so that your team is pushing buttons and executing things in the right way at the right time, and there aren't always visible cues to tell you when to do that, it's dependent on communication. Forcing people to communicate isn't something a matchmaking system can do. If YOU were a raider, you would understand that. My guess is that your raiding experience was either in other FPS's, or against content that had been nerf'd into the ground BEFORE you got there when you were over-leveled/over-geared for it and all the strats were already known. That's not raiding. Might as well watch a YouTube of it and save yourself the time.
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Interesting, tell me more about what I am and which raids I have done. And you think randoms cannot be good, communicate or play coordinated and controbite as much strategies or solutions as you? That's laughable and shows how elitist you are. I bet there's randoms that are good enough to beat a raid with. But keep telling yourself you and your friends are better than all the other players out there if that makes you happy. Also, do you really think raids in this game will be on the same difficulty level as some WoW or Rift raids for example? Seriously?
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Edited by Guywired: 8/1/2014 5:51:04 PMFirst.. this "ego" thing. You've been beating that drum LONG before I came into this thread. Sounds to me like you're fighting with an inferiority complex. Get that under control. Second: I never said randoms can't be good, or communicate, or play coordinated, or even contrive of better strategies than I can. You're putting words in my mouth and that's YOUR problem, not mine. I do expect vanilla WoW levels of difficulty with Destiny Raids, and that's just at SIX players, not FORTY. And look at the raiding trends across gaming in general. Since nerfing raid content, WoW has lost it's congruent player base. Why log in if it's not something that has to be worked for? Bungie's not the only one noticing this trend either. Look at Wildstar. Despite all the other franchises out there, Wildstar comes in with a unique IP and shows growth that hasn't been seen since the hay-day of WoW. And Wildstar's hook? That their content is hard. That they'll never nerf it. That the existence of this truly difficult content ignites the player base, gets them coming back for more and keeps them motivated to keep moving forward. Wildstar is advertising directly against WoW using what USED to be [b]WoW's[/b] competitive advantage, and it's working. People like you say "gimme, I wanna see it, I paid for it, i don't want to work for it, gimme gimme" But that's not how anybody GROWS an IP or a community. And that's just the business side of why matchmaking doesn't work. As I've said before, if you're asking for raid matchmaking, then you don't really know what raiding is.
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Edited by Dom: 8/1/2014 6:05:06 PMYeah you have officially lost me now, I only have limited nerves to talk to ridiculously ignorant and cocky people each day and you have used all that up now, especially with that people like you speech. Bye bye
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