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12/29/2012 9:12:13 AM
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Let's talk about killing as a form of punishment.
Is it ever justified?
In my opinion, it's not. When we kill killers, we become them. No matter what crime someone has committed, the death penalty should never be an option.
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Solution, clone them and then set the clone free after you have killed them. I joke of course.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BerzerkCommando [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xODSTxDutch Im sorry but wasting money on someone questionably worth killing is just stupid[/quote] See, this is where I disagree. No one is "worth killing". Even a murderer is a human. And every human has a right to live. And that right is unalienable, and should never be taken away.[/quote] That murderer lost that right to be a human when he abducted let's say 5 people. And he tortures them to death. When you keep these types of people in prison there's a chance they can escape and once they do. They are most likely going to kill again. By executing these people you are removing a threat from society. Also let's take that guy that killed those 2 Fireman. During the 80's he killed is grandma and got parole. Guess what he did when he was 6o something? Let's right he set his house on fire for a trap to kill people. These types of people should not be allowed to live. They are a threat to everybody. If they escape or get paroled there is a chance they can hurt or kill someone. They also are a threat to other inmates and the prison staff. If you have someone that tortured 5 people to death. They're not going to think otherwise about hurting/killing a guard if they get the chance to. [/quote]There's a better solution. Instead of forsaking our morality, we just need to build taller prison walls.[/quote] Which can still be climbed and descended if they have the materials.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] foreveraloner35 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GohanRules 12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FIREBALL1999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)[/quote] It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.[/quote] If it's proven that he/she committed the crimes (murder, -blam!- and assault, ect) then simply take them somewhere and put a bullet in their head. I also like the idea of using them to feed crocodiles and lions.[/quote] I like this idea. Their bodies can go towards something useful, like feeding zoo animals, or perhaps towards science [/quote] If we keep them alive we could make an attraction out of them trying to run from the lions/tigers or out swimming the gators.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GohanRules 12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FIREBALL1999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)[/quote] It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.[/quote] If it's proven that he/she committed the crimes (murder, -blam!- and assault, ect) then simply take them somewhere and put a bullet in their head. I also like the idea of using them to feed crocodiles and lions.[/quote] You don't want to do that last part just yet. What you want to do is after they are dead. Take out what ever organs can be transplanted. Then feed their body to the crocodiles and lions.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Oly Lifter We need to worry about the morality of abortion before we worry about the morality of the death penalty. The backwards logic of liberals is its okay to kill an innocent human being but it is not okay to kill a guilty human being.[/quote] Killing a cluster of cells that is not a human and doesn't even have a brain/nervous system to have a consciousness or feel pain=/= killing a fully developed human being that does have a brain and a nervous system to have a consciousness or feel pain. You can't compare a cluster of cells to a person. They aren't the same. Before this gets out of hand, I'll end this now. If abortion was made illegal it wouldn't stop women from getting abortions, it would only make them go somewhere else to do it thereby causing possible harm to themselves (back alley abortions, falling down stairs, coat hanger, etc.). all you'd be doing is making abortion unsafe. Besides who the -blam!- are you to tell a woman she can't get an abortion, ESPECIALLY if she was raped?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GohanRules 12 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FIREBALL1999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)[/quote] It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.[/quote] If it's proven that he/she committed the crimes (murder, -blam!- and assault, ect) then simply take them somewhere and put a bullet in their head. I also like the idea of using them to feed crocodiles and lions.[/quote] I like this idea. Their bodies can go towards something useful, like feeding zoo animals, or perhaps towards science
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote]Exactly.[/quote] [quote]Is it ever justified? In my opinion, it's not.[/quote] Do you not see the glaring hypocrisy?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] FIREBALL1999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey Self defense and war are the only times a man ought to kill another. Execution is needless; prison is capable enough of restraining the threat of a violent criminal.[/quote] Yes but where does are our tax money go to? The prisons, we pay to take care of them. (Not to say that ALL of it goes there)[/quote] It costs quite a bit more to execute a prisoner than it does to put them in jail for life.[/quote] If it's proven that he/she committed the crimes (murder, -blam!- and assault, ect) then simply take them somewhere and put a bullet in their head. I also like the idea of using them to feed crocodiles and lions.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Oly Lifter We need to worry about the morality of abortion before we worry about the morality of the death penalty. The backwards logic of liberals is its okay to kill an innocent human being but it is not okay to kill a guilty human being.[/quote] Is it ok for someone to die from the lack of care? Should I be called a murderer for not running through a crowded street to push away an old woman who is about to be hit by a bus? Should I be called a murderer for not running into a burning building to save someone? Those are passive actions which result in death. That's not murder. Murder would be actively causing death. It would be me pushing an old woman in front of a bus or lighting a fire with people inside a house. Abortion is a woman refusing to give a fetus free reign of her body. It's a lack of care. It's passive because the fetus dies without her providing her body for the fetus live on. The death penalty is an active effort to kill someone. Two different things.
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We need to worry about the morality of abortion before we worry about the morality of the death penalty. The backwards logic of liberals is its okay to kill an innocent human being but it is not okay to kill a guilty human being.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] werdnaz The death penalty is the only way to go.[/quote] Then how come Norway and Sweden are doing such a good job? We rehabilitate the murderers so that they one day can get back to society and contribute to it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem In my opinion, it's not. When we kill killers, we become them. No matter what crime someone has committed, the death penalty should never be an option.[/quote] And when you kill someone you lose all valuable information they might have.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BerzerkCommando [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xODSTxDutch Im sorry but wasting money on someone questionably worth killing is just stupid[/quote] See, this is where I disagree. No one is "worth killing". Even a murderer is a human. And every human has a right to live. And that right is unalienable, and should never be taken away.[/quote] That murderer lost that right to be a human when he abducted let's say 5 people. And he tortures them to death. When you keep these types of people in prison there's a chance they can escape and once they do. They are most likely going to kill again. By executing these people you are removing a threat from society. Also let's take that guy that killed those 2 Fireman. During the 80's he killed is grandma and got parole. Guess what he did when he was 6o something? Let's right he set his house on fire for a trap to kill people. These types of people should not be allowed to live. They are a threat to everybody. If they escape or get paroled there is a chance they can hurt or kill someone. They also are a threat to other inmates and the prison staff. If you have someone that tortured 5 people to death. They're not going to think otherwise about hurting/killing a guard if they get the chance to. [/quote]There's a better solution. Instead of forsaking our morality, we just need to build taller prison walls.
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Killing legitimately evil people is going to be a personal opinion thing which no amount of flaming or using caps will resolve here in the Flood. However, there are two objective claims which go against the death penalty. 1. It costs more money to sentence someone to death than it does to imprison them for the rest of their lives. 2. We still convict the innocent from time to time. If you want to kill everyone that takes an innocent life, what should be done with the justice system?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] xODSTxDutch Im sorry but wasting money on someone questionably worth killing is just stupid[/quote] See, this is where I disagree. No one is "worth killing". Even a murderer is a human. And every human has a right to live. And that right is unalienable, and should never be taken away.[/quote] That murderer lost that right to be a human when he abducted let's say 5 people. And he tortures them to death. When you keep these types of people in prison there's a chance they can escape and once they do. They are most likely going to kill again. By executing these people you are removing a threat from society. Also let's take that guy that killed those 2 Fireman. During the 80's he killed is grandma and got parole. Guess what he did when he was 6o something? Let's right he set his house on fire for a trap to kill people. These types of people should not be allowed to live. They are a threat to everybody. If they escape or get paroled there is a chance they can hurt or kill someone. They also are a threat to other inmates and the prison staff. If you have someone that tortured 5 people to death. They're not going to think otherwise about hurting/killing a guard if they get the chance to.
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I disagree with the death penalty for a different reason. You're just giving them a quick escape from life, from suffering a real punishment, from living to really regret what they did. Life in prison > cop out execution
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The death penalty is the only way to go.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.[/quote] Fairness isn't justice.[/quote] You talk as if justice is objective.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.[/quote] Then who kills the people that execute felons?
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As a form of justice? Not entirely. As a way of getting rid of bad men? Yes. When it comes to just hunting someone down and killing them as a matter of vengeance, it's not entirely justified (although it's also situation dependent). When it becomes less a matter of justice, and more a matter of protecting the rest of the herd by getting rid of those who would continue to pray on it, then it's justified. Evil does exist in the world, and simply locking it in a jail isn't always the best option. After all, we only have so many jails. The only way to dispel that evil is typically by taking their life.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.[/quote] Fairness isn't justice.[/quote Some say being stuck in a confined room for the rest of your life is worse than death.
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No certainly not. Nobody has the right to exercise the ability to take someone's life. However what I do believe in is particular convicts having all their rights stripped from them. Which includes freedom from torture. But I guess that's unconstitutional. As per usual.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] deltahalo UK penal[/quote]lol
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We should colonise Mars just to make a penal colony
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ark Chaos [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.[/quote] Fairness isn't justice.[/quote]Then justice blows.[/quote]lol, but true
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Garem [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream You take a life, you lose yours. Thats fair.[/quote] Fairness isn't justice.[/quote]Then justice blows.
