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7/28/2009 8:23:47 PM
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Star Wars Vs. Halo Debate
I'm sure some of you saw this coming eventually.
It's another Star Wars Vs. Halo debate in the flood.
This will be more civilized though
Rules:
1. No Flaming
2. You must be willing to Learn
3. You must know what you're talking about to some extent.
4. Cite your sources if asked to or you just see it being necessary
5. No making up stuff
6. If you're clearly proven wrong, accept it and go on
And this will be more freeform.
You get to pick who's fighting who, where they are fighting, what they can use (please be careful with this), when it's taking place (ie the covenant at the beginning of the war, etc.).
Also make some sort of objective that isn't too ridiculous to make it more interesting. (ie the empire must take all of the enemy's sectors)
No cross universe friendships (ie rebels and UNSC working together)
The main fighting will be in a neutral space in between the star wars galaxies and the milky way. This will stop any confusion from happening like (oh yeah all the star wars people are in the milky way so we can use the halos). There may be planets placed there if you want to have land battles but they are not necessary. Vessels, species, people, etc. can go back to their respective galaxies and come back to the neutral space for any reason that makes sense.
Alright I think that's it. Hopefully this will go well. Who wants to start us out with who is fighting who, when, and where?
If you can't think of any here is an example
Galactic Empire vs. The Covenant
Each faction includes everything that ever belonged to them.
Ground Battle w/ space battle above
You get the idea.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Afghan Night [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wifout Teef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] H410 P4r4D0x Holy -blam!-, this thread is still alive? Is it not painfully obvious that Star Wars is better? Cmon now, get with the program.[/quote] People like BJR and Afghan have the intent of annoying me all to hell. I've been on and off this topic for the whole day while working on stuff on my computer. At times there are good things people say but BJR and Afghan pretty much ruined that by trolling me.[/quote] How the hell am I trolling you? Just by having a different opinion and thinking differently means I'm trying to annoy you?[/quote] You were trying to get on my nerves by saying that because star wars is unrealistic, it loses. Other than that you were simply being fine.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Roan Fel Some characteristics of energy transferal do not immediately relate to explosive effects. For example, if you heat a sheet of metal with the equivalent threshold of a one kiloton laser, the sheet would naturally follow the progression of heating, warping and rapid expansion via vaporization; but the energy does not necessarily relate to explosive power except for the effects upon any substance it comes into contact with. [/quote] [url=http://www.stardestroyer.net/Resources/Science/Explosives.html]There's a page at stardestroyer.net[/url] that explains some stuff related to this if anyone is interested in learning a bit more. An explosion is determined by more than just energy. [Edited on 07.30.2009 11:09 PM PDT]
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Have any of you had sex?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wifout Teef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] H410 P4r4D0x Holy -blam!-, this thread is still alive? Is it not painfully obvious that Star Wars is better? Cmon now, get with the program.[/quote] People like BJR and Afghan have the intent of annoying me all to hell. I've been on and off this topic for the whole day while working on stuff on my computer. At times there are good things people say but BJR and Afghan pretty much ruined that by trolling me.[/quote] How the hell am I trolling you? Just by having a different opinion and thinking differently means I'm trying to annoy you?
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"The Covenant are imitative not innovative," he said. "The Engineer you ordered to repair the Chief's armor just got a firsthand look at our shield technology, a technology we stole from the Covenant and improved upon. If it somehow managed to rejoin the Covenant, that improved technology would be theirs. How would you like to see that technology manifest as better personal shields for their Elite warriors? Or on their warships?" Page 97 First Strike They improved upon the output, not the design. Which is still far from perfecting it when the design of said suit is capable of bankrupting the Navy.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Captain Richards [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wifout Teef Yes but that's not what I said. I said it took them 20 years to make something similar. They perfected it later.[/quote] Not neccessarily, they have always had the same shields. There was a prototype MJOLNIR Armor that was pretty much the same except it lacked shields, and during the FoR the Spartans recieved the better, upgraded MJOLNIR Armor that had shields, that is the same armor you are wearing in Halo CE. You did not say the UNSC perfected it, you said they created something similar and inferior in your original post.[/quote] Dude I said that they built something inferior after a while but THEN PERFECTED IT. And according to Roan's post we are both wrong.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Roan Fel [quote]Wrong, the Human shield generators for the SPartan armor is actually better than the Covenant shield generators on Elites. The UNSC perfected it.[/quote] Actually they were using Jackal portable shields, which differ slightly from Elite personal shields. Either way it costs the UNSC the equivalent of a naval battle group (about fifteen warships) just to build one suit of armour, clearly they are far off from perfecting it. [/quote] First Strike Page 97.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Roan Fel [quote]Wrong, the Human shield generators for the SPartan armor is actually better than the Covenant shield generators on Elites. The UNSC perfected it.[/quote] Actually they were using Jackal portable shields, which differ slightly from Elite personal shields. Either way it costs the UNSC the equivalent of a naval battle group (about fifteen warships) just to build one suit of armour, clearly they are far off from perfecting it. [/quote]Have you ever had sex?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wifout Teef Yes but that's not what I said. I said it took them 20 years to make something similar. They perfected it later.[/quote] Not neccessarily, they have always had the same shields. There was a prototype MJOLNIR Armor that was pretty much the same except it lacked shields, and during the FoR the Spartans recieved the better, upgraded MJOLNIR Armor that had shields, that is the same armor you are wearing in Halo CE. You did not say the UNSC perfected it, you said they created something similar and inferior in your original post.
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[quote]Wrong, the Human shield generators for the SPartan armor is actually better than the Covenant shield generators on Elites. The UNSC perfected it.[/quote] Actually they were using Jackal portable shields, which differ slightly from Elite personal shields. Either way it costs the UNSC the equivalent of a naval battle group (about fifteen warships) just to build one suit of armour, clearly they are far off from perfecting it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Roan Fel Some characteristics of energy transferal do not immediately relate to explosive effects. For example, if you heat a sheet of metal with the equivalent threshold of a one kiloton laser, the sheet would naturally follow the progression of heating, warping and rapid expansion via vaporization; but the energy does not necessarily relate to explosive power except for the effects upon any substance it comes into contact with. Just watch Attack of the Clones as an example, Jango Fett fires upon kilometer wide Asteroids with his own kiloton yield laser weapons, yet we only witness fragmentation and melting, no ubiquitous explosions capable of generating nuclear yield blasts. In other words: Don't confuse the prefix of kilotons or megatons with nuclear explosive force, instead accept them as a unit of measuring energy alongside joules. In fact I would normally use joules as a unit of measurement, but to the majority of readers 4E15 joules doesn't sound as impressive or as impacting as one megaton. It's all about word association, what sounds more powerful to you? four trillion joules, or a megaton? [/quote]Have you ever had sex?
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Some characteristics of energy transferal do not immediately relate to explosive effects. For example, if you heat a sheet of metal with the equivalent threshold of a one kiloton laser, the sheet would naturally follow the progression of heating, warping and rapid expansion via vaporization; but the energy does not necessarily relate to explosive power except for the effects upon any substance it comes into contact with. Just watch Attack of the Clones as an example, Jango Fett fires upon kilometer wide Asteroids with his own kiloton yield laser weapons, yet we only witness fragmentation and melting, no ubiquitous explosions capable of generating nuclear yield blasts. In other words: Don't confuse the prefix of kilotons or megatons with nuclear explosive force, instead accept them as a unit of measuring energy alongside joules. In fact I would normally use joules as a unit of measurement, but to the majority of readers 4E15 joules doesn't sound as impressive or as impacting as one megaton. It's all about word association, what sounds more powerful to you? four trillion joules, or a megaton?
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Master Chief could BR Anakin before Darth Vader realized that gaping hole in his chest was caused by the Arbiter's energy sword. Star Wars is still a classic, though.
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Yes but that's not what I said. I said it took them 20 years to make something similar. They perfected it later.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wifout Teef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] myusername [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wifout Teef How do you know they can use the force? Lol yoda isn't that great. He's weak and frail. And how can he stand up against ISDs? Wtf gravemind and Spark were killed easily by MC. How can UNSC AI tap into them? [b]The technology is millenia ahead of the forerunners even. [/b]It took the UNSC 20 years to make armor that somewhat protected against plasma. And that was just covenant. How can they tap into what they don't even know about? They don't understand Galactic Basic lettering (its not the english alphabet). They don't understand the computers of SW. They can barely understand Covenant technology. How could they get to the control ship if the star forge and devestators are constantly pumping out thousands of capital ships filled with droids or other people? The galaxy gun or sun crusher could defeat the entire Haloverse by themselves. The sun crusher is invincible.[/quote]You don't know that and I find it funny how your bashing on people for not backing up what they say, when you are doing the same thing. lol "The sun crusher is invincible" or "They can't understand the computers of SW" Your just being a biased troll. I've already won this debate a long time ago.[/quote] Wtf are you talking about? the UNSC had huge difficulties learning covenant technology. They took decades to learn how to board ships. And they also took 20 years or so to create something that was based off of covenant tech but was still very inferior. Excuse my awful grammar in that paragraph. I'm extremely overheated right now because its like 100 degrees in seattle right now. I can't concentrate. The sun crusher IS invincible. Unless the halo forces have black holes they can effectively employ at any time, the sun crusher wont even have a scratch on it. It can survive supernovae, something not even the forerunners can survive.[/quote] Wrong, the Human shield generators for the SPartan armor is actually better than the Covenant shield generators on Elites. The UNSC perfected it. If you don't believe me read page 97 of The First Strike where Haverson says how the UNSC perfected the Covenant shield technology.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Roan Fel In fact look here if you are curious: Halo: First Strike, pages 211-220 The good Doctor explains that it is usually impossible to fire weapons in the slipstream since no object in slipspace is capable of following a predictable trajectory (they can go in any direction, dissipate and reappear at a moments notice without warning), but the crystal alters this space when activated and grants Cortana the ability to correctly calculate the possible vector of each projectile, allowing them to dodge a salvo of Covenant torpedoes. What is interesting to note is that even with an upgraded Covenant vessel armed with a Forerunner crystal designed to increase slipspace travel by hundreds of times, they are still traveling thousands of times slower than even low end Hyperspace drives. [/quote]Either back that last claim up or look at a scanned image of page 311 from First Strike [url=http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/7/78/Image.jpg/800px-Image.jpg]here[/url]
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In fact look here if you are curious: Halo: First Strike, pages 211-220 The good Doctor explains that it is usually impossible to fire weapons in the slipstream since no object in slipspace is capable of following a predictable trajectory (they can go in any direction, dissipate and reappear at a moments notice without warning), but the crystal alters this space when activated and grants Cortana the ability to correctly calculate the possible vector of each projectile, allowing them to dodge a salvo of Covenant torpedoes. What is interesting to note is that even with an upgraded Covenant vessel armed with a Forerunner crystal designed to increase slipspace travel by hundreds of times, they are still traveling thousands of times slower than even low end Hyperspace drives.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wifout Teef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude I understand that the figures for the weapons come from an official source but they sound well misbalanced against what we see in the films....... A Jedi Starfighter fires rounds at a kiloton a round?????! As in a kiloton TNT!?[/quote] Yes. It's just that a kiloton of energy means a kiloton of TNT would be needed to produce that much energy. The explosion can be as small as can be but still have the same amount of energy. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've never really taken any classes that deal with this.[/quote] I'm not an expert on this either...... but those values seem just ludicrous. For reference a MOAB has 11 tons of TNT power. A blast from the Jedi Starfighter cannons is 1000 tons of TNT power. Is that right?? Or is the Star Wars calibration using a different base comparison? i.e. Something that isn't TNT.[/quote] Can someone tell us what it really means? Well they definitely use the same base comparison as us. They do sound insane.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wifout Teef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude I understand that the figures for the weapons come from an official source but they sound well misbalanced against what we see in the films....... A Jedi Starfighter fires rounds at a kiloton a round?????! As in a kiloton TNT!?[/quote] Yes. It's just that a kiloton of energy means a kiloton of TNT would be needed to produce that much energy. The explosion can be as small as can be but still have the same amount of energy. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've never really taken any classes that deal with this.[/quote] I'm not an expert on this either...... but those values seem just ludicrous. For reference a MOAB has 11 tons of TNT power. A blast from the Jedi Starfighter cannons is 1000 tons of TNT power. Is that right?? Or is the Star Wars calibration using a different base comparison? i.e. Something that isn't TNT.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ICE1996 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wifout Teef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pokezilla Linked [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Do you guys really count Sun Crusher and Galaxy Gun non-trilogy fiction as real canon?? It's fake canon in my eyes, just written to sell books SG-1 stylee, and it adds nothing to the SW universe.[/quote] Agreed, I was actually reading Wookiepedia (That's a shocker) and George Lucas (@ Wifout note he created SW) that the books are "a different universe" from what he created. So, okay, a fake SW universe has all of these weapons, but what does the REAL SW universe have? Wait, we don't know, because they never explained. Halo wins. *leaves*[/quote] Lol you're such a child. No wonder you never give out your age or address. You act like a 9 year old. He said they're different but they're still canon. Go research wookieepedia some more.[/quote] why do u want him to give u his address.... kinda creepy[/quote] I meant the state he lived in LOL. That does sound creepy. I didn't even notice I said that until now. He refuses to tell anyone where he lives or his age. He acts as if everyone is a stalker. LMAO i bet i sounded like a total weirdo.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Doc Bacon [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BJR [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] H410 P4r4D0x That was most likely a beam weapon from one of the assault carriers near High Charity. Their attacks look exactly like the one used on the building.[/quote]High Charity was built to contain the Dreadnaught.[/quote] And the dreadnaught was built to contain the Death Star! And the Death Star was built to contain the EWOK! and the ewok was built to etc. etc. etc.[/quote]To what? Contain fleas?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wifout Teef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pokezilla Linked [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Do you guys really count Sun Crusher and Galaxy Gun non-trilogy fiction as real canon?? It's fake canon in my eyes, just written to sell books SG-1 stylee, and it adds nothing to the SW universe.[/quote] Agreed, I was actually reading Wookiepedia (That's a shocker) and George Lucas (@ Wifout note he created SW) that the books are "a different universe" from what he created. So, okay, a fake SW universe has all of these weapons, but what does the REAL SW universe have? Wait, we don't know, because they never explained. Halo wins. *leaves*[/quote] Lol you're such a child. No wonder you never give out your age or address. You act like a 9 year old. He said they're different but they're still canon. Go research wookieepedia some more.[/quote] why do u want him to give u his address.... kinda creepy
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude I understand that the figures for the weapons come from an official source but they sound well misbalanced against what we see in the films....... A Jedi Starfighter fires rounds at a kiloton a round?????! As in a kiloton TNT!?[/quote] Yes. It's just that a kiloton of energy means a kiloton of TNT would be needed to produce that much energy. The explosion can be as small as can be but still have the same amount of energy. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've never really taken any classes that deal with this.
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I understand that the figures for the weapons come from an official source but they sound well misbalanced against what we see in the films....... A Jedi Starfighter fires rounds at a kiloton a round?????! As in a kiloton TNT!?
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Sorry it took so long, I had to scan it and upload the page. [url=http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/7/78/Image.jpg/800px-Image.jpg]Page 596 of [i]First Strike[/i][/url]
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I actually read through my copy just recently, no such thing is mentioned in any context. In fact all that is mentioned is the ability to engage other ships INSIDE of the same slipstream without said vessel breaking apart violently, not through to realspace or other dimensional rift.
