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Edited by Xemnnas:
7/26/2015 5:38:54 AM
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Y are people on forums so damn crazy????
I like how the community asked for nerfs to some weapons and buffs to others. Then when bungie releases the patch notes and people see ghorn and black hammer geting nerfs everyone lozes their s***! I understand the deal with black hammer. just ask bungie to reduce the maximum reserve ammo count from 19 to... 9. That way it would be more risk for reward. It would be more punishing if you missed a shot. Bam. Problem solved. but... Really? What's wrong with the Ghorn nerf? it [spoiler][u]obviously[/u][/spoiler] is still going to be ONE OF THE BEST ROCKET LAUNCHERS out there... I dont see the HUGE PROBLEM WITH IT! honestly i saw this coming when people started asking if people had ghorn and kicked them if they didn't have it. And just look at the forums now! If you want to go ahed and tell me why im wrong and make an elaborate debate about it, i dont care. If you want to tell me how wrong I am go ahad. I dont agree with some of the update to but lets see what happens when it comes out first BEFORE everyone freaks the f**k out...i also dont care if you already quit destiny. I like the game and thats my opinion. Im going to stay. You dont have to get everyone else on your band wagon just because you quit destiny and you and a bunch of other people think its a bad game. I want to see the end result of all the patches and advice the good part of the community is sending out. If you read this please dont post about how you spent countless hours trying to get ghorn and now its geting nerfed. because i dont care. Remember the community brought it upon itself. And remember this is a WEPON BALENCING PATCH... Also, while were on the subject... Im pretty sure that exotic weapons are [u]unique[/u] and not necessarily supposed to be the best thing ever. Buuuut thats just my thoughts. This community needs more positivity!!! If you read that whole thing..... Wow. Congrats you made it through one of my rants! :D
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1 ReplySomeone on the forums who isnt a complete idiot...? BURN THE WITCH!
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1 ReplyFinally. Thank you.
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Alright "loze" is not a word. Now that we've cleared that up lets progress shall we? Sometimes it takes a little crazy to get your point across.
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5 RepliesI'm tired of people saying you asked for this and now you're complaining... I didn't ask for any of it. I Never complained about thorn, maybe there is a few tweaks with thorn and tlw that a lot of people want but I never asked for it and now bungie will nerf all hand cannons. If you Have a problem with thorn use red death.. I just got the thorn a few days ago so I've been on both sides of the playing field. Anyone can get it. I suck at pvp and I was able to finish the bounty solo. it also seems like most of the people who don't care about the patch and nerfs are pvp players because they won't be directly at a disadvantage because guns tend to be buffed and balanced out in pvp play anyway based on level minus a few weapons but PVE players will notice the nerfs a lot more especially vs bosses etc. I've been able to complete everything before I got my ghorns. So I experienced people wanting ghorn when I had radegats or hunger but I was always able to find teams.....
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5 Repliesobviously there will always be dumb/ whiney/ toxic individuals in any community. bungie forums are crazy since no one from bungie responds to shit. theyll post things on twitter and facebook multiple times a day from their profiles; cozmo, deej, bungie, and others. but look at latest activity from them and its crap. i understand that they could only reach a small percentage due to the loads of posts flooding, but they dont even try. and yeh, sometimes theyre wrong either way because no one can be happy about anything. but other game forums at least have a constant official presence, even if its just a " yeh, we know about it, were working on it". also, a lot of the forums talk is about why destiny is so -blam!-ed up. , chat in game, rng, server nonsense, cheaters, no story, i could go on for hours about why it launched missing so many normal features of any game in 2014.
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2 RepliesBecause back in the Halo era b.net was [b]THE[/b] website for conversations about Halo, but since Destiny it's become the lazy gamer's forum....if you want to get anything done go to reddit.
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1 ReplyRed alert everyone we have a bunghole fanboy clearly taking it as well. ^
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4 RepliesAnd you're the reason why we can't have nice things
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1 ReplyThere are multiple routes to balancing weapons. The problem with these nerfs on a lot of these weapons is not because of dominance during gameplay but inadvertently taking advantage of problems with certain game mechanics itself. For example: Gjally = because of reliance on LFG forums and weaker enemy AI (mainly bosses). BH and Icebreaker = exploits within gameplay/map design--especially with raids. Shotguns = Only a couple shotguns were great in PvE and as for PvP, this is due to map design. So many close quarter maps. Handcannons = nerfed range and maybe ADS is quite understandable, but the clip size??? not sure wtf that's about. Other solutions to these problems = implement ingame LFG/Optional matchmaking; buff other heavy exotic weapons to compete with Gjally but allowing Gjally to remain dominant; improve map designs and venture more towards Haloesque maps compared to CoD maps (of course both for variety is nice still); and improve enemy AI, especially bosses. All of these indirectly help balance weapons. Will there still be tweaks? Of course. But now you're attacking actual problems that just happen to effect some weapons. If they do balance weapons, it should be tweaks for the most part. Which leads me into my next argument. Weapon balancing patches need to occur generally every 4-6 weeks. There's no reason for 2 weapons to dominate pvp for so long. Plus, doing tweaks with a few weapons is easier to test and obtain data than bombarding a community with major changes. It usually won't be received well and makes it more difficult to notice actual problems. It's not like they have a Public Beta to test these weapons out. And we know inhouse testing is no where near as effective. The last time they touched weapons were April 14th I believe and 2.0 patch doesn't go live till closer to TTK release. It's just too long.
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6 RepliesBecause we've played PoE, and we realize what will happen if our weapons are nerfed without a corresponding weakening of our enemies. Which is something that Bungie has not so much as hinted at. I freely admit that my primaries aren't up to taking on the waves of yellow bar enemies, and RNG is likely to leave me well sort of the green and purple ammo I need to take down the boss--even with the help of synths. I've spent much more time than I'd like looking at an overpowered boss and an incoming wave of yellow bar shielded enemies with nothing but primary ammo and minutes left on my synth cooldown. I can look back at several rounds where I can honestly say we'd never have finished if I hadn't pulled out Icebreaker.
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2 RepliesIm going to like this pist because we need more people in the I like the game side. Nice post.
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1 ReplyBlack hammer and Ice Breaker were nerfed for a combination of two reasons. They don't want infinite ammo in a long range weapon, and they really don't want stun lock infinite ammo on anything. The video is spot on, they should increase IB's magazine and they should make BH an Exotic. But infinite stun-lock is a potential problem the video should have mentioned. I'm pretty sure he intentionally demoed BH on a boss you can't stun. For one... I love BH and no stun bosses are totally the best; but for two stun is a problem. Bungie currently can't do high end bosses with stun, the "first kill" videos would be an embarrassment. Honestly I think there are a few floating out there for Skolas. They are just fifteen minute "look at us ignore intended raid mechanics in this corner" documentaries. I think Bungie is slightly overreacting but stun-lock should be mentioned in IB and BH arguments (by both sides).
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Edited by Xemnnas: 7/26/2015 2:35:56 AMAnother video explaining nerfs, buffs, etc..
