All I hear from players is how OP Thorn is and how big of a nerf it needs. I agree, but disagree as well. I hate Thorn, and am angered when killed by it. It needs lower range, maybe less impact or a slower ROF, and the DOT damage needs either less damage, ticks, or the inability to kill, just weaken. However, Nerfing Thorn is not the solution. Some say we don't need to nerf Thorn, but buff everything else to compete with it. This isn't the solution either because this will cause Destiny to become a short Time to Kill game, as opposed to the long TTK model it is trying to establish. This model is tarnished with shortcut weapons and their perks. That, fellow guardians, is where our problems lie. Bungie screwed up PVP in Destiny. Most of the time it isn't enjoyable for many, and when playing with others, all I hear is how annoyed they are with the various methods of being killed. Not because we suck we prevail quite well on average. It's because we all feel that the person who killed us did not earn their kills, but rather used the most exploitative design elements in the game. I also see YouTubers making content against the Crucible and what's wrong with it, sometimes even quitting PVP all together. So, why does Crucible suck so much for so many individuals? Because it's unbalanced. The Crucible is a game type with 4 major issues. 1. The servers cause massive lag, booting, and delayed respawns. All of which hinder the flow of play. 2. The weapons are unbalanced. Some namely, like Thorn, TLW, and others, but more so as a whole. In a long TTK game, shotguns,, should either not be one hit kills, have horrible accuracy,, and have severely restricted range. No primary weapon should kill in 2 shots, no matter how difficult it is to accomplish. Each weapon class should have strengths and weaknesses, but all be on the same playing field. You should have the freedom to choose a weapon that suits your play style, but still has it's own limitations and strengths. This is nonexistent. Weapons are all over the place due to stats and perks that cheat their way through the weapon class' design. 3. The maps are unbalanced and need more symmetry or less vantage points on one side. 4. The classes and mechanics are unbalanced. Blinking and sliding to avoid being in a player's line of sight to 1 hit kill them, one super having more range and less risk than another, one melee reaching farther, but still doing the same amount of damage as another, and magnetized grenades and one hit kill grenade scenarios, are just a few ways some classes are handicapped, leaving the victim unable to counter the attacker. These are the issues. We need to fix more than just one weapon. Fixing Thorn only creates a new gun to hate for being OP.. The Crucible is entirely unbalanced. If we want to enjoy it, it needs to be tuned, nerfed, buffed, whatever you want to call it, entirely. I feel like the developers just say "this would be a cool gun/super/ability" and throw it in the game throwing balance to the wind. Just cool looking crap everywhere. Meanwhile, gameplay suffers. If we want to enjoy and commend the Crucible for being an exemplary model of how FPS PVP should be, Bungie needs to reinvent and re-tune it completely to make it actually balanced. Simple as that. TLDR; Thorn isn't the thing that is ruining PVP. The Crucible in its entirety is so heavily flawed and unbalanced, that it needs to be remade as a whole.