If you're intimidated by the Crucible, don't be. Believe me, very few of them are even half as good as they think they are. Thorn, shotguns, fusions, supers, it doesn't matter. Their tactics are hilariously predictable and easily countered: 1) Charge 2) Shoot shotgun 3) ??? 4) Profit That's pretty much it! That is the extent of their "mad skillz". I went in their half-cocked and drunk, with an un-leveled auto rifle, and shamed people. Seriously, I laughed for entire matches. I hope for the sake of you Crucible lovers that this is just some weird Iron Banner trend and not indicative of regular PvP. Because the alternative is that the PvP of Destiny is where the CoD beginners go to learn which way to point their guns. Seriously, Crucible has got to be the easiest way to gain street cred in the history of... well, street cred, I suppose. Please, oh PLEASE, serious Crucible players, tell me that THIS is not where the PvPers claim all the real skill is at! EDIT 1 Also, I just disassembled Felwinter's Lie. Because trash. EDIT 2 Drunk me is sort of an a**hole. Insightful and strangely talented in the Crucible, but still an a**hole.