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8/6/2024 7:06:53 PM
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This is why they need to just up it to permabans for habitual quitters.
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And that would be complete bs if they did it. Doesn’t matter whether they can or not.
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It wouldn't be BS at all. Ou KNOW quitting early is a restrictable and bannable offense. If you continue to do it you shouldn't be surprised by harsher punishments up to permabans.
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[quote]It wouldn't be BS at all. Ou KNOW quitting early is a restrictable and bannable offense. If you continue to do it you shouldn't be surprised by harsher punishments up to permabans.[/quote] From Bungie’s own ToS “Bungie will not punish a player for just playing the game. Players are encouraged to enjoy Destiny in whatever way they find fun” Who finds bad matchmaking fun?
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[quote]This is why they need to just up it to permabans for habitual quitters.[/quote] Can you say class action law suit.
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It wouldn't be. You agree to follow the ToS and habitual quitting is against it. They'd have every right to permaban you.
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[quote]It wouldn't be. You agree to follow the ToS and habitual quitting is against it. They'd have every right to permaban you.[/quote] Can you point to the exact terms where it says bungie can permaban a player for exercising an option they put in the game (return to orbit) and the part it’s stated a player must complete a game or else For that matter banning a player for reacting to a problem they created in the first place Yeah lawsuit
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Edited by Salty-47: 8/7/2024 6:03:53 AMWhy, yes, sense you asked. I can show you where it says exactly that. https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/360049517431-Destiny-Account-Restrictions-and-Banning-Policies#:~:text=Players%20who%20frequently%20quit%20or,receive%20a%20restriction%20or%20ban.&text=To%20help%20ensure%20that%20every,code%20into%20the%20game%20client. It is listed there both under restrictions and banning policies. Can't sue over something that can easily be found and is a part of what they list as a bannable offense for the TOS you agreed to when you started playing the game
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Edited by BedlamX: 8/7/2024 11:29:26 AM[quote]Why, yes, sense you asked. I can show you where it says exactly that. https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/360049517431-Destiny-Account-Restrictions-and-Banning-Policies#:~:text=Players%20who%20frequently%20quit%20or,receive%20a%20restriction%20or%20ban.&text=To%20help%20ensure%20that%20every,code%20into%20the%20game%20client. It is listed there both under restrictions and banning policies. Can't sue over something that can easily be found and is a part of what they list as a bannable offense for the TOS you agreed to when you started playing the game[/quote] Here’s a quote pulled directly from the link you provided “Bungie will not punish a player for just playing the game. Players are encouraged to enjoy Destiny in whatever way they find fun” Wherein and by therefore I can quit at any point they can’t permanently ban anyone for doing what they encourage you to do Not only that but bungie provides the ability for a player to quit a match by allowing the “return to orbit” option to be selected. If they want to hold you prisoner in a not fun match they should remove the option to return to orbit
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I don't think you understand how TOS works. If you agreed to it which you had to so you can play the game, you can't be mad when you have to deal with the consequences of being a rage quitter. There is nothing in the TOS that says you can ruin everyone else's matches and not be punished for doing so. If you don't like how matches are going in crucible, then just don't even start it. Otherwise, you have to deal with your choice not to follow the TOS you agreed to.
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[quote]I don't think you understand how TOS works. If you agreed to it which you had to so you can play the game, you can't be mad when you have to deal with the consequences of being a rage quitter. There is nothing in the TOS that says you can ruin everyone else's matches and not be punished for doing so. If you don't like how matches are going in crucible, then just don't even start it. Otherwise, you have to deal with your choice not to follow the TOS you agreed to.[/quote] The problem lies with Bungies own contradiction posted publically under the subheading “what will not get you banned”
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Playing the game won't get you banned. Consistently leaving matches and ruining everyone else's matches will seeing as how leaving a match would also mean you're not playing the game. This isn't hard to figure out. If you don't follow what you agreed to, then they can take whatever action they deem necessary against you for you breaking the agreement.
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[quote]Playing the game won't get you banned. Consistently leaving matches and ruining everyone else's matches will seeing as how leaving a match would also mean you're not playing the game. This isn't hard to figure out. If you don't follow what you agreed to, then they can take whatever action they deem necessary against you for you breaking the agreement.[/quote] The agreement says I should play the way I find it to be fun. Who says the game is ruined if I leave…I’m just a chump with a 1.12 K/D What if a person takes my place that’s 3.0 K/D What if I have taken like 20 deaths capped 0 zones and leave aren’t I doing the team a favor? You are using pure conjecture to bolster your point.
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Edited by Salty-47: 8/7/2024 5:15:01 PMAnd you're just ignoring that you agreed to their terms, which clearly states that constantly leaving matches will result in a restriction or a ban. Also, why not just pick a choose what parts you want to listen to and also actually show the whole thing of what bungie says won't get you banned. Bungie will not punish a player for just playing the game. Players are encouraged to enjoy Destiny in whatever way they find fun: dancing on a Vendor’s head in the Tower, spamming grenades in Crucible matches, or just climbing a cliff in the open world to sit for hours enjoying the gorgeous view. It’s the player’s choice on how to they wish to enjoy their time in Destiny. Generally speaking, if you are merely playing the game, then you shouldn't run into the enforcement issues described in this document. Literally the last sentence says you can't do the things listed as a restrictable or bannable offense and just get away with doing without any consequences. If you don't like what you agreed to, then you shouldn't have agreed to it or shouldn't play the game. You also wouldn't run into these even being an issue if you didn't just play crucible 24/7 in a 90% pve game
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[quote]And you're just ignoring that you agreed to their terms, which clearly states that constantly leaving matches will result in a restriction or a ban. Also, why not just pick a choose what parts you want to listen to and also actually show the whole thing of what bungie says won't get you banned. Bungie will not punish a player for just playing the game. Players are encouraged to enjoy Destiny in whatever way they find fun: dancing on a Vendor’s head in the Tower, spamming grenades in Crucible matches, or just climbing a cliff in the open world to sit for hours enjoying the gorgeous view. It’s the player’s choice on how to they wish to enjoy their time in Destiny. Generally speaking, if you are merely playing the game, then you shouldn't run into the enforcement issues described in this document. Literally the last sentence says you can't do the things listed as a restrictable or bannable offense and just get away with doing without any consequences. If you don't like what you agreed to, then you shouldn't have agreed to it or shouldn't play the game. You also wouldn't run into these even being an issue if you didn't just play crucible 24/7 in a 90% pve game[/quote] 1. I do not play 24/7 I have a career and a family 2. I say that I’m doing what bungie envourages trying to have fun it’s not my fault they don’t know how to balance a match 3. You say I’m breaking the ToS This sounds like something a jury should decide….
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Oh, sorry, not exactly 24/7, but you've still played it enough to have reset it over 20 times, which would imply that you mainly only play crucible. I haven't seen anywhere that bungie says, "Hey, leave all the matches you want and ruin matches for your teammates, which you can't prove you didn't, seeing as how you left." Also, why would a jury need to decide that you broke TOS when both bungie could see it and you public admitted to it for everyone to see. You wouldn't even be able to find a lawyer who would be willing to even attempt for it to go to a court case, seeing as how you would have no chance of ever winning due to you publicly admitting it and one would assume that bungie, a company backed by Sony, can afford a lot better lawyers than you could so no real reason for them to even take your threats of suing them seriously.
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[quote]Oh, sorry, not exactly 24/7, but you've still played it enough to have reset it over 20 times, which would imply that you mainly only play crucible. I haven't seen anywhere that bungie says, "Hey, leave all the matches you want and ruin matches for your teammates, which you can't prove you didn't, seeing as how you left." Also, why would a jury need to decide that you broke TOS when both bungie could see it and you public admitted to it for everyone to see. You wouldn't even be able to find a lawyer who would be willing to even attempt for it to go to a court case, seeing as how you would have no chance of ever winning due to you publicly admitting it and one would assume that bungie, a company backed by Sony, can afford a lot better lawyers than you could so no real reason for them to even take your threats of suing them seriously.[/quote] Your assumption once again is that the match is ruined if I leave. While I can’t prove one way or the other neither can bungie neither can you. Here’s why it can’t be proven…. Every little factor would have to be calculated for every action I take every action my teammates take and every action the opposing team makes ….along with the equipment used, field of view, color of the screen, age, blood pressure connection speed, how much sleep, eye sight ect ect ect …all to see how it effected the match. Nearly impossible to accomplish Who knows if I could find a lawyer I haven’t tried…would it be difficult maybe. Maybe not, maybe I find one. Doesn’t matter I don’t think it will ever happen. I will not be permabanned I publically admitted I wasn’t having fun. I never once said I was breaking the ToS in fact I feel like I’m doing what they wanted who was play the way I like to have fun.
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The fact that you don't know that when a teammate leaves a match, it usually leads to others leaving right after, which does ruin matches by giving the other team a player advantage. Then again, this is like talking to a brick wall and asking it to step aside, knowing full well that it can't. One would think that the fact that next to no one agrees with you that you would figure out that rage quitting at the smallest disadvantage is widely despised by almost everyone who plays the game.
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[quote]The fact that you don't know that when a teammate leaves a match, it usually leads to others leaving right after, which does ruin matches by giving the other team a player advantage. Then again, this is like talking to a brick wall and asking it to step aside, knowing full well that it can't. One would think that the fact that next to no one agrees with you that you would figure out that rage quitting at the smallest disadvantage is widely despised by almost everyone who plays the game.[/quote] You are using conjecture again…you have ZERO evidence of what you are typing here You are just upset you can’t put forth an argument that would change my mind. A lot of people agree with me, do you know how I know… Do you think bungie instituted harsher penalties for just little ole me? Of course you don’t you know that quite a few people quit games, mostly for the exact reason as I stated in the begining. When bungie figures out that they want to fix the issue of balanced matches they will until then if I’m not having fun, I’ll follow Bungie’s advice and play the game how I like to have fun, which is to load into another match.
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Edited by Salty-47: 8/7/2024 6:18:36 PMYeah, zero evidence. Not the fact that I've played multiple matches where my team is down one round or down only 10 points and then someone leaves because of that and it then leads to other leaving because being down 1 or 2 teammates in trials where you can't have some join mid match or being down 2 or more teammates in regular crucible just to have someone join and see that oh there are other spots open and the team I got put on is losing so I'll just leave right after joining. Yeah, no one has proof of that. Proving the point that you can't see your the problem, not everyone else. Also, are you trying to say that bungie added harsher punishments to help you and the other rage quitters instead of it benefiting everyone else by keeping you out of matches so the rest of us can actually play the game instead. The fact that they changed just so people who get error coded don't get instantly restricted now where as those who are intentionally leaving will get restricted quicker and hopefully for longer or just get to being banned faster makes it better. The only having one character, pvp, no lifer players who don't touch the rest of the game would probably benefit the game more by not being allowed into it anymore or just switching to an actual pvp only game instead
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[quote]Yeah, zero evidence. Not the fact that I've played multiple matches where my team is down one round or down only 10 points and then someone leaves because of that and it then leads to other leaving because being down 1 or 2 teammates in trials where you can't have some join mid match or being down 2 or more teammates in regular crucible just to have someone join and see that oh there are other spots open and the team I got put on is losing so I'll just leave right after joining. Yeah, no one has proof of that. Proving the point that you can't see your the problem, not everyone else[/quote] multiple matches….you are going to need a larger sample size. I don’t play trials so no need to worry I won’t be quitting what I don’t play. As many people have reminded me in the past this is not a solo game, make friends so they don’t quit on you. Did you just admit that you e quit game….shame on you I never said anyone other than bungie was at fault for my decision to leave a match. So you can stop with that BS narrative.
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Edited by Salty-47: 8/7/2024 6:33:51 PMI like that I never said I quit in any form. I stay in the match until it's over because there isn't a point in leaving even if you are losing. It's almost like you don't need to win every match. Also, I do play in stacked teams, and when I do, oddly enough, no one up at quits at a small disadvantage. I'm also not going to force the people I play the game with to play crucible if they don't want to, so that does mean solo queuing sometimes. You're just at the point of trying to find any reason you can to justify why you should be able to ignore the terms you agreed to in the first place.
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[quote]I like that I never said I quit in any form. I stay in the match until it's over because there isn't a point in leaving even if you are losing. It's almost like you don't need to win every match. Also, I do play in stacked teams, and when I do, oddly enough, no one up at quits at a small disadvantage. I'm also not going to force the people I play the game with to play crucible if they don't want to, so that does mean solo queuing sometimes. You're just at the point of trying to find any reason you can to justify why you should be able to ignore the terms you agreed to in the first place.[/quote] Ok. The way you post with 1 really long run on sentences is hard to read. But after further study you are correct you didn’t say it but I bet you have. My eyes hurt trying to read your stuff while I’m working…gotta go have fun
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One long run-on sentence. It's weird that there are multiple sentences. They are indicated by these things called periods. Then again, you're just still trying to use any form of thought to justify yourself
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Edited by BedlamX: 8/7/2024 7:56:38 PM[quote]One long run-on sentence. It's weird that there are multiple sentences. They are indicated by these things called periods. Then again, you're just still trying to use any form of thought to justify yourself[/quote] I don’t have anything to prove or justify to you it’s your arrogance that make you think you are owed. You aren’t owed anything from anyone whom you haven’t paid for service or products.
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Yeah, and you are owed the consequences of terms you agreed to but decide to either ignore or just break
