I play the game to slay hordes of aliens after a long day, not to get slain in million annoying ways. The game has lost its way since LF

Bungie's idea of a challenge: Give the boss 7,000,000,000,000 hp. Good job team. Innovation!

It has nothing to do with the imagined “elites.” The fault lies with Bungie for making a bad game. Put the blame where it belongs, on the people making the decisions. It’s perfectly fine if some people want challenging content. It’s up to Bungie to build the game, and please as many people as possible. They are failing.

I also got burnt out. Same old everything. The last few seasons have been a slog. I love pvp, but Bungies lack of support in PVP and the constant issues has pushed me away from it. Playing other games til Bungie figures it out, but I doubt they will. They seem to be on cruise control til marathon drops.

As a player capable of elite activities, I have to agree. The time invested to loot gained is just not worth it. A lot of my core friends who used to play every week for hours don't log in either. Sadly because more new players have started recently, this feedback will fall on deaf ears.

[quote]Since the D1 beta my dad and I have played this together. We've tackled every challenge we could. Raids. GMs. Etc. Now. Every enemy is a mountain. Yet kill us instantly. And they spawn as they die. And half of the gear is unusable. And because of that.... it's nearly impossible to do one little exotic quest to get an okay scout. He said "this isn't fun. This isn't a game anymore. So why am I playing." And logged off. This is a man who has stood by for every little change in this game and played still. Destiny vets are struggling. Many are struggling. But the elites will say its fine. Easy for me. They'll say anything to lord over others. They will prove my point in the Comments too.. But the point is. The game at this point is just tedious. And doesn't respect anyones time. Please bring the fun back.[/quote] The "get harder" update was a horrible idea. You can physically see the difference if you look around the community. Before Lightfall, people would LFG for GMs, master raids, and all kinds of stuff. Now, it's all Kalli CPs and basic crap like campaign help or legend nightfalls. People are struggling so hard with this crap and they're not having any fun anymore. Mid game has become endgame. And because of that, meta is almost needed all the time. Can't just throw on any old loadout anymore. Gotta be something good or you're stuck in the activity for way longer than necessary. The weapon meta right now is truly restrictive. Rockets are not a great meta. Bosses have so much health that you run out of ammo mid damage phase and then you're using secondary and primary weapons for DPS. At least linears had some ammo reserves. The game has changed so massively from even 6 months ago, and it's in a way that makes the game more fun to watch than it is to play, which benefits only one type of player. It's not a good period in D2's life. Sure exotics drop like candy now, which is great for new players, but and there is plenty to do, but Bungie has done such a poor job making their content replayable that nobody ever does wellsprings or blind well anymore unless told to for solstice. It's just not a good time right now.

See theres my point again! Destiny is just not fun anymore. I have to unload entire clips for a single red bar and heaven forbid it sees me, even from a distance as we will just drop dead as if they were all Medusa's! I don't think majors should be easy nor bosses one-phasable but lets face it since LightFall everything is just sit back and waste time, ammo and sanity with no other sense or reasoning behind any of this. I could be on playing right now like I normally am but nope I'm reading the forum and watching my workstation chug away on tons of data as this type of mindlessness is preferably to playing anymore! May finish up Solstice, why I don't know but normally I crank it out in 3 days now maybe half way done on just my first char. Then I'm switching back to D1 till season22 and if its the same as this and last season, done till Final Shape - NEXT YEAR!

Well said. I miss the FUN destiny times myself. I constantly get the itch to play D2 and then i login and remember how terrible the game has become after like 2 minutes of playing. Simply launching anything on neomuna proves that point sadly. Bungie has lost passion, interest and dedication to D2. They shifted all their talented devs to upcoming games and only maintain D2 with the absolute bare minimum of resources these days and you clearly feel it. Can't justify spending many hours in the game anymore sadly (used to main the game for 5 years straight) And its not burnout by any means, ive been on the 1 hours max per week schedule for almost half a year now and still WANT to play more but cant cause the game just is in a horrible state sadly.

I agree with your dad but one thing I'm not fully understanding is the enemies killing you instantly. And this is coming from today where I slogged myself through Neomuna's public events to get the weapon patterns for ... more time than I'd have wanted to spend (6 hours). Which is a constant state of Legendary difficulty + I play with high framerate on PC which is prone to enemies dealing more damage than usual and I never got 1-shot. Sure, I'd die decently fast if I got caught out in the open with my pants down, but that's multiple enemies shooting at the same time. I looked at your characters and you have them all set to PvP loadouts with low resilience, and that is going to hurt you a lot in PvE. You have 30, which is 5% reduction. Aim for 50 (14%) or 70 (20%) reduction and don't forget the additional damage dampeners like Concussive and Arc + Solar reductions for Taken enemies. Leg mods for Orbs to give you more health + start health regen on pickup are also life savers. Edit: probably not even useful information, you've been in this game longer than me if you started in D1. I'd assume you knew this already and I apologize for the ramble

Bungie: *Only caters exclusively to the most toxic -blam!- in their community who are only happy if no one else is.* Look. You know, they tried catering to the players who want everything to be hard and unpleasant. They ended ability spam by and large, everything is way more bullet spongey, nothing is any more rewarding than it was before. And look where they are, all interest sliding off the game like water off a duck's -blam!-. Because the game isn't fun to play anymore. Things don't have to be ridiculously easy, but stop trying to push the narrative that people want this. A small number of very loud people want this, everyone else is sick of it and the numbers show it.

You have a good dad! I wish my kids would play destiny with me but they like apex and fortnite only The game is dying unfortunately

Number of players before Geist left the game: 47,256. Number of players after Geist left the game: 47,255. This major dent in the current players will hurt their game badly.

you noticed the difficulty spike too? I don't know if it's a difficulty spike but I'm dying way easier than I was 2 weeks ago, Playlist activities, the enemies hit much harder and is annoying. I'm on normal difficulty, this isn't legendary! even legendary are just too hard and too annoying. plus no one ever wants to play together

Skill issue

This pve elitism stuff needs to stop. There aren’t sweat builds and I’m awfully confused by this take. I’m not a fan of the harder content, mainly because it isn’t rewarding. Patience and build-crafting is all you need and you can effectively do any activity in the game with these two things. Teamwork is 100% optional and there are few instances where you actually need “comms” in this game. It’s point, kill, and don’t die simulator, over and over again.

What loadouts were you running? And please dont say double primaries.

Ok bye. Nobody cares.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like it isn't necessarily a "difficulty" issue and more of a "boring tedium" issue. IOW, the power fantasy is gone and along with it went the fun. I can see that. Its not fun to have to peek-shoot every enemy when they 2shot you in return. Slows the game way way down and is too rigid to experiment. Just another system of control implemented to reduce creativity and funnel everyone into the "meta". After all, you don't need to playtest/balance garbage gear that nobody uses. Damn dude, seems they got their bean-counters working OT (salary) so nobody else has to (hourly)

I have top 1% speed times and have every pvp title to ever come out in this game. Even I don’t enjoy it anymore. I don’t really understand how anyone could find this level of monotonous content entertaining. It’s just bad.

Completely agree. There are better games to play that reward your time appropriately. I quit playing in April this year. I started playing on the Xbox 360 for the D1 beta, then bought a Xbox One for D1 and a Xbox One X for D2. Played the game a lot, but after Neuroma, I can't be bothered to grind the game anymore. Bungle is simply milking as much money from the game while putting minimal effort back in. Players are nothing more that ATM's to Bungle, no respect at all. I'm hoping that Bethesda StarField will not be a (Andromeda ME, CyberPunk, Antehm etc.) buggy mess.