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11/16/2020 6:58:06 PM
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Destination loot that is still dropping in the game should not be useless (sunset). ie. The Moon & Dreaming City
It's just what it says on the tin.
The Moon and the Dreaming City are actively part of the game and some quests still take place on those destinations, yet everything you earn that are planet specific is worthless. I'm pretty OK with sunsetting in general, but I think that maybe we went a little overboard here.
Shadowkeep and Dreaming City gear and weapons should un-sunset. This would show a bit of good faith, but also give people more things to do in the game and in those destinations. It also prevents the feeling that you just wasted your time grinding something out, only to be reward with a max 1060 item.
On that subject, world vendors like Nessus and EDZ should not be giving out useless items when you turn in materials. The game invites you to do this, but it's really just a material sink because you don't get anything useful. The option to turn in mats should be removed and the planetary loot pool should be earned in game like it is on Europa; through bounties and high value targets.
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1 ReplyMakes no sense that you would keep Eris as one of the three in BL yet all of her gear rewards are useless in core gameplay. The Loud Lullaby would be killer now that it's a 120
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128 RepliesWe've spoken with the team about this and let them know that there has been a lot of feedback around it feeling bad when destination loot drops with a max power cap under the current season. This is part of the overall feedback we are receiving around rewards in general right now. Thanks for sharing.
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5 RepliesHas Bungie given a reason anywhere that they did this? I literally come to post the same topic as OP and then saw this. Like there isn't any reason to play Luna or Dreaming outside of blues for leveling and the Raids. There also is zero reason to run Pit or Shattered Throne and that feels pretty bad. It feels bad that for the amount that got put in the DCV the remaining locations basically do not have loot to chase without Bungie reversing this decision.
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3 RepliesI was not particularly thrilled to do the memory quest because there was an icon for a powerful reward for it on the moon only to get a 1060.
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Not going away, I think the sunsetting was a good thing but, put in practice..not so much. We put 4 planets, 4 raids, 2 missions etc in the DCV and then proceeded to make dreaming city and the moon have no relevance at all with max drops of 1050. WHY.. why unreward any player who is playing activities on those planets with 3 shards for a reward. There is then no reason to even have them in the game and should have been sent to the DCV which means basically everything vaulted and a few things left.. with little weapon variety to distinguish it from last season...
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3 RepliesI too think this is a stupid move, I never understood why Bungie makes the older content not important by letting loot to drop way below current power. I still would run around the dreaming city and shadow keep if it gave me loot at my power level. Now I'll only run it if I'm bored. That doesn't show well on the number side of things. More players would enjoy older content if it gave higher powered rewards..
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Yeah they could've at least made dreaming city loot move forward. It's very specific loot so it wouldn't have made a difference.
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I'm all for sunsetting, but I agree with this. Randomly rewarded loot should not already be sunset.
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3 RepliesThis is an example of why you hear so much comment about the juxtaposition between the artistic design of the game, which at times is spectacular, and the poor decision making around game mechanics etc. Must be so frustrating to work at Bungie these days..
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Yes I do agree Dreambane gear shouldn’t be capped at 1060 since shadowkeep is worth money!
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7 RepliesAt the very least it would be nice to have "reprised" versions of gear start dropping at the Dreaming City and Luna, even with the same perk pool from before: gear that's not sunset already. Now that I'm back in D2, I was looking forward to exploring the moon again, but every quest giving 1060 gear left a sour taste on doing so. Such interesting weapons I can't feasibly use in most activities. Dreaming City and the Moon are two of my favorite destinations aesthetically: please give me a reason to go back!
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Edited by woodvillians: 11/18/2020 12:37:50 PMheres what i find confusing is the nightmare hunts on the moon you have be 1180 to be effective and to be even more effective is to wear a piece of dreambane armor mods , i gather they only come from the armor set of the same name of witch is capped at 1060 and why is the lecture quests still in the game as the items are locked at 1060 also they can not help you to level to soft cap , let alone the hard cap
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2 RepliesYes, I hate sunsetting. However, I thought I could work around it by acquiring some new good/okish weapons. Replaced last season my beloved (word play) Blast Furnace with a god roll Cold Denial. Good enough. But I know/knew that one will carry me only this and the next two seasons. Like many others from the different archetypes which can get me around but won't survive this or one of the next two seasons. Which would be ok, if Bungie added reasonable new good rolls. Still mindless grind replacing A with B but at least somewhat feasible. Has anybody checked the new Europa weapons? Guess what. Trash perk pools. By purpose Bungie have left out all damage increasing perks. No rampage, no kill clip, no swashbuckler etcetera. So the kiddies (players = clients) are not willing to give up on their preferred perk combinations? Easy to deal with. Just let everything useful die out and problem solved. This is how to un-delight people. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE this expansion. Stasis top, Europa top, yesterday Cosmodrome with for instance this labyrinth lost sector, great great great!, however I clearly foresee that I (we?) will be further restricted with what is fun for me (maybe us) by what Daddy/Mummy Bungie deems being appropriate/good for the kids. I call this placing us under guardianship. And it could be so easy if they understood that fun/enjoyment of players go hand in hand with success of the product/service delivered. Have fun for as long as it lasts.
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3 RepliesBungie in next weeks TWAB “The Moon and Dreaming city destinations will no longer reward legendary items.”
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2 RepliesAlso gotta love going to the drifter and see him selling trust and bygones even though they are sunset and useless now. LOL! How lazy can Bungie get. At least remove those guns from the vendor you morons.
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3 RepliesEdited by Yosemite Sam: 11/17/2020 2:53:03 AMIMO the game being in its 3rd year should have been updated across the entire board as ROI actually ways. Bungie is charging more for less and that is not right at all. ROI was only $30 and it offered a lot more that I know this company is not going to do even though Age of Triumph came later that updated the existing content. The loot pool is being filled that is empty right now with $10 season passes, so basically to get loot you have to pay for every season just to get what used to be part of the game that you were not charged for. In all, you would be paying what, an extra $50 a year just to use mediocre weapons that are set to fool unsuspecting players into believing the "FOMO" nonsense and have everything whipped out every 3 months when it comes to progress. Edit: So, we are paying an extra $50 just to have a loot pool. Awesome!
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2 RepliesThink that's bad? In year 4, Devrim still gives Y1 static rolled and sunsetted gear on rank up packages. No vendor refresh in 4 years!?
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Edited by Tilting the Void: 11/18/2020 7:23:05 PMSO bad that it drops regularly too. Like RNG drops aren't bad enough as they are in the new expansion that they have to overload bad drops with even more bad USELESS drops. Another thing I noticed too when trying to buy upgrades from Banshee, is that yesterday he wanted those resources you used to get on Titan. How are we supposed to acquire that now? SMH. Just put everything back ok! It was a better game before Beyond Light.
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9 RepliesI'm curious are you doing relevant activities (lost sectors and public events) or are you doing old activities (well, harbor, nightmare hunts, ascendant challenges) and getting these drops? Cause that might be your issue right there.
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1 ReplyGustyGardens You make some valid points and I agree that ever verse should be removed from this game. But Whether we wanted it or not, we’ve stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let’s get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta’aurc. From what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
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This isn’t the big issue. This was done in D1. All the Y1 raids were made useless. The reason this wasn’t an issue was that we had so much content and so many useful weapons to compensate for this loss. We just need more content very soon.
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Dont worry next season they will sell them back to you to re earn.
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1 ReplyVery Puzzling, whats the point of Moon or Dreaming City now. Out of interest, does that include loot from Last Wish too? Haven’t done it this season
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Not only is useless loot still dropping but the fact they have paid content that's been sunset (Shadowkeep). Maybe a drastic price drop, Bungie?
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I agree, seemed that my thoughts around new gear for those areas was just me misleading myself into contentment! Seems like they’re trying to wash out older content and bring it back in the future with new gear and qol changes which is a great idea, but the reason for not updating the areas mentioned is a bit short sighted or they’re next on the list over the next twelve months and being replaced by revamped vaulted planets, if so, I can get behind that notion, if not, Bungie could do with keeping the loot pool relevant in those zones ASAP!
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3 RepliesImo, remove the sunset system, roll it back, actually playtest it and take community feedback on it, instead of giving us a giant sahitpile because they don't know how to balance pvp.
