[quote][quote]What you’ve described is that science is only relative to what we humans know. It’s subjective. That said, it can still be accurate in the practical sense, but we’ll never concretely have or know the full truth.[/quote] Yes, it is relative to what we know, so is everything, including religion. True scientists do not claim to know the full extent of everything, they say, "based on what we know, based on the evidence, etc." That leaves it open to be changed or to evolve with further knowledge.[/quote] Yet, so many act and speak like they know enough. [quote]Religious leaders claim to be the end all, be all of their religion. They do not allow for growth, as it destabilizes their power.[/quote] You are also right in this. Why? Because it’s the human condition. [quote] [quote]Religion can also evolve and change...[/quote] Where/when has that happened?[/quote] Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, probably more. [quote][quote]It’s heresy subjective to either the folks leading a religion or to God himself.[/quote] Yet, only a God can decide what pisses him/her off. If you use the Christian religion as an example, God clearly states, Judge not, lest ye be judged. Yet, people judge constantly. That would be the place of God to decide. Yes, I am aware you can use what he says in the Bible to point out where he says shit is blasphemy or heresy, same as I just did, but it contradicts itself. [/quote] That doesn’t contradict at all. Just because people judge, doesn’t mean God approves. Follow God, not people. [quote]The Bible is a book written by the hand of man & with MANY different versions. Personal prejudices can be within. [/quote] True. Go read the original translations then. [quote] [quote]On the contrary, some religions/belief systems are based upon testing and trial.[/quote] I am not talking about trials of faith.[/quote] Welp, it’s the same thing buddy.

[quote][quote][quote]What you’ve described is that science is only relative to what we humans know. It’s subjective. That said, it can still be accurate in the practical sense, but we’ll never concretely have or know the full truth.[/quote] Yes, it is relative to what we know, so is everything, including religion. True scientists do not claim to know the full extent of everything, they say, "based on what we know, based on the evidence, etc." That leaves it open to be changed or to evolve with further knowledge.[/quote] [quote]Yet, so many act and speak like they do.[/quote] Not the real scientists. Ones like Bill Nye, sure, but once you reach that point, you are no longer a true scientist because your mind is closed. We see a TINY amount of scientists, your sampling does not prove a truth, it only backs up your belief, making you just as bad as the closed minded ones. [quote]Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, probably more.[/quote] No, name an actual point when they evolved. They haven't. Jewish faith is still Jewish faith, they did not suddenly become Christians or they would be Christians now & not Jewish. [quote]That doesn’t contradict at all. Just because people judge, doesn’t mean God approves. Follow God, not people.[/quote] Nope, keep on track. This is not about god, this is about people and how they compare. [quote]True. Go read the original translations then.[/quote] Original translations.....First, the originals are in a dead language. Second, translations are NOT the original texts. Third, still written by the hand of man, even the actual originals. [quote]Welp, it’s the same thing buddy.[/quote] It is not the same thing. There is not one quantifiable thing that comes from a trial of faith. All that is personal & internal. That is the biggest difference. With science, I can see your findings & test them myself for accuracy. That does not work for trials of faith.

[quote][quote][quote]What you’ve described is that science is only relative to what we humans know. It’s subjective. That said, it can still be accurate in the practical sense, but we’ll never concretely have or know the full truth.[/quote] Yes, it is relative to what we know, so is everything, including religion. True scientists do not claim to know the full extent of everything, they say, "based on what we know, based on the evidence, etc." That leaves it open to be changed or to evolve with further knowledge.[/quote] [quote]Yet, so many act and speak like they do.[/quote] Not the real scientists. Ones like Bill Nye, sure, but once you reach that point, you are no longer a true scientist because your mind is closed. We see a TINY amount of scientists, your sampling does not prove a truth, it only backs up your belief, making you just as bad as the closed minded ones. [quote]Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, probably more.[/quote] No, name an actual point when they evolved. They haven't. Jewish faith is still Jewish faith, they did not suddenly become Christians or they would be Christians now & not Jewish. [quote]That doesn’t contradict at all. Just because people judge, doesn’t mean God approves. Follow God, not people.[/quote] Nope, keep on track. This is not about god, this is about people and how they compare. [quote]True. Go read the original translations then.[/quote] Original translations.....First, the originals are in a dead language. Second, translations are NOT the original texts. Third, still written by the hand of man, even the actual originals. [quote]Welp, it’s the same thing buddy.[/quote] It is not the same thing. There is not one quantifiable thing that comes from a trial of faith. All that is personal & internal. That is the biggest difference. With science, I can see your findings & test them myself for accuracy. That does not work for trials of faith.[/quote] [quote]Not the real scientists. Ones like Bill Nye, sure, but once you reach that point, you are no longer a true scientist because your mind is closed. We see a TINY amount of scientists, your sampling does not prove a truth, it only backs up your belief, making you just as bad as the closed minded ones. [/quote] You are being closed minded right now... if you were open minded, you’d see it. [quote] No, name an actual point when they evolved. They haven't. Jewish faith is still Jewish faith, they did not suddenly become Christians or they would be Christians now & not Jewish.[/quote] They no longer sacrifice animals; There are different sects. [quote]Nope, keep on track. This is not about god, this is about people and how they compare. [/quote] It actually is about God. People are always inconsistent and unreliable. [quote] Original translations.....First, the originals are in a dead language. Second, translations are NOT the original texts. Third, still written by the hand of man, even the actual originals.[/quote] Whether a language is dead or not doesn’t render what they have to say as false. We can still translate them. Hardly anything you read or watch is from its original source. God is sovereign enough to work through man. [quote]It is not the same thing. There is not one quantifiable thing that comes from a trial of faith. All that is personal & internal. That is the biggest difference. With science, I can see your findings & test them myself for accuracy. That does not work for trials of faith.[/quote] It is the same thing. You have presuppositions and you test them. Trial of faith tests whether what you believe in is valid or not. Your whole experience of life is personal and internal, if that’s your argument. You can’t prove anything except your being. You believe that the laws of the universe will remain consistent.

[quote][quote]Not the real scientists. Ones like Bill Nye, sure, but once you reach that point, you are no longer a true scientist because your mind is closed. We see a TINY amount of scientists, your sampling does not prove a truth, it only backs up your belief, making you just as bad as the closed minded ones. [/quote][/quote] [quote]You are being closed minded right now... if you were open minded, you’d see it.[/quote] What is this, I know you are but what am I? I must be close minded because I do not agree with you. Are you able to discuss this rationally or not? There are MANY scientists who believe in both science & faith. If I wanted to make a conclusion to support the belief that religious folks are scared of science, I could use all of you religious posters on here to say that all religious people in general are ignorant people who are scared that science might overthrow their god, so are therefore unwilling to allow any science, even though it may in time prove the existence of their god. That is using a small sample to prove a point I want made, not using a true scientific method, which would have me using many people, a lot of whom have no problem with science & religion & would therefore give me results opposite of my theory and prove the theory WRONG. [quote] No, name an actual point when they evolved. They haven't. Jewish faith is still Jewish faith, they did not suddenly become Christians or they would be Christians now & not Jewish.[/quote] [quote]They no longer sacrifice animals; There are different sects.[/quote] In other words, no, you can not prove they have ever evolved. [quote]It actually is about God. People are always inconsistent and unreliable.[/quote] No, this is not about god. You started this on a people level, so stay there. [quote]Whether a language is dead or not doesn’t render what they have to say as false. We can still translate them. Hardly anything you read or watch is from its original source. God is sovereign enough to work through man.[/quote] A dead language means that it died & there is no way to make sure the translations are accurate. Look, you can't bitch about scientist not being accurate, then turn & say, well, this is a holy book, so even if the language is dead, it is true. Pick your side & stay there. [quote]It is the same thing. You have presuppositions and you test them. Trial of faith tests whether what you believe in is valid or not. Your whole experience of life is personal and internal, if that’s your argument. You can’t prove anything except your being. You believe that the laws of the universe will remain consistent.[/quote] Can I test your trials to see if they are valid? Nope. Can you prove lava is hot? Yes. Can I validate that theory? Yes. That is the root difference. You started this about science, so keep it there, do not add shit.

[quote][quote][quote]Not the real scientists. Ones like Bill Nye, sure, but once you reach that point, you are no longer a true scientist because your mind is closed. We see a TINY amount of scientists, your sampling does not prove a truth, it only backs up your belief, making you just as bad as the closed minded ones. [/quote][/quote] [quote]You are being closed minded right now... if you were open minded, you’d see it.[/quote] What is this, I know you are but what am I? I must be close minded because I do not agree with you. Are you able to discuss this rationally or not? There are MANY scientists who believe in both science & faith. If I wanted to make a conclusion to support the belief that religious folks are scared of science, I could use all of you religious posters on here to say that all religious people in general are ignorant people who are scared that science might overthrow their god, so are therefore unwilling to allow any science, even though it may in time prove the existence of their god. That is using a small sample to prove a point I want made, not using a true scientific method, which would have me using many people, a lot of whom have no problem with science & religion & would therefore give me results opposite of my theory and prove the theory WRONG. [/quote] Call it what you will, I’m just calling out your hypocrisy. You’ve hardly been rational so far. [quote][quote] No, name an actual point when they evolved. They haven't. Jewish faith is still Jewish faith, they did not suddenly become Christians or they would be Christians now & not Jewish.[/quote] [quote]They no longer sacrifice animals; There are different sects.[/quote] In other words, no, you can not prove they have ever evolved.[/quote] I just proved it... [quote][quote]It actually is about God. People are always inconsistent and unreliable.[/quote] No, this is not about god. You started this on a people level, so stay there. [/quote] No. Religion involves God. Deal with it. [quote][quote]Whether a language is dead or not doesn’t render what they have to say as false. We can still translate them. Hardly anything you read or watch is from its original source. God is sovereign enough to work through man.[/quote] A dead language means that it died & there is no way to make sure the translations are accurate. Look, you can't bitch about scientist not being accurate, then turn & say, well, this is a holy book, so even if the language is dead, it is true. Pick your side & stay there.[/quote] There is still Greek and Hebrew today. It’s not dead at all. [quote][quote]It is the same thing. You have presuppositions and you test them. Trial of faith tests whether what you believe in is valid or not. Your whole experience of life is personal and internal, if that’s your argument. You can’t prove anything except your being. You believe that the laws of the universe will remain consistent.[/quote] Can I test your trials to see if they are valid? Nope. Can you prove lava is hot? Yes. Can I validate that theory? Yes. That is the root difference. You started this about science, so keep it there, do not add shit.[/quote] Hot is subjective. Compared to the center of the sun? It’s cold. Can you validate the Big Bang? Evolution? Nope. Not directly and with undeniable proof, unless you have a time machine. Can you prove that your perception of the world, and the processing of said information is accurate? You cannot, without belief and faith. Also, you probably should calm down. No need to be triggered. You’re acting like your worldview is starting to crumble.

What is with you people & wanting everyone to be triggered? If I was triggered, I would be calling you names. Wake the hell up. All you can do is say deal with it & parrot what I have said, except for your side. That does not make you look smart. You know what, -blam!- it. I thought you might be able to discuss this intelligently, but all you can do is repeat the same dogmatic shit your pastor poured into your empty head. I am out of here.