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Edited by Def_Man:
3/7/2017 2:52:33 PM
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Wire tapping "fake news" or "inconsistent news"?
I spent some time reading through the articles and have come up with an opinion. I think someone is lying...and it isn't trump!!! Shocking, right? Lol
Ok here's the first article. New York Times Jan 19, 2017.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0&referer=http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/amp/
[quote]The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.[/quote]
It was reported the FBI, NSA, CIA, and treasury department were part of the investigation. It was also reported that communications from the wire tappings were provided to the whitehouse. I'm assuming it would be obama in the form of intelligence briefings.
Here's the New York Times the next day. Inauguration Day Jan 20, 2017. I couldn't find the actual article, but I found a bunch of other sites referencing the one I want and this one has a pic of the front page. Notice the second headline from the right.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/flashback-ny-times-front-page-headline-wiretapped-data-used-inquiry-trump-aides/
WIRETAPPING
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html
And now over the last few days we have another New York Times article.
[quote]There is no confirmed evidence that the F.B.I. obtained a court warrant to wiretap the Trump Organization or was capturing communications directly from the Trump Organization.[/quote]
It's a long article, but this is near the bottom. Most of this article contradicts their previous articles from January.
And these.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/06/politics/obama-response-trump-claim/index.html
[quote]Although Obama has yet to respond to the claim himself, a spokesman to Obama called "any suggestion" that Obama or any White House official ordered surveillance against Trump "simply false."[/quote]
Of course he didn't ORDER it, but it was reported that the White House knew about it.
[quote]Building on Lewis' remarks, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who served under Obama, said Sunday that the intelligence agencies he supervised did not wiretap Trump last year, nor did the FBI obtain a court order through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to monitor Trump's phones.[/quote]
[quote]When asked whether he could confirm or deny whether the FBI could have tapped Trump's phones under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Clapper said, "I can deny it," adding that, to his knowledge, there was no court order to monitor any phones at Trump Tower.[/quote]
Clapper denies knowing about it, but the New York Times in January reported the NSA and CIA were part of the investigation.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?_r=0&referer=https://www-breitbart-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/03/05/new-york-times-trashes-its-own-reporting-on-obama-admin-wiretapping/amp/?amp_js_v=7
[quote] The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump’s assertion that President Barack Obama ordered the tapping of Mr. Trump’s phones, senior American officials said on Sunday. Mr. Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected, they said, but the department has not released any such statement.[/quote]
Comey wants it known that OBAMA didn't order the wiretapping. Ok? So he didn't order it but did the wiretapping actually happen?
And this.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-calls-probe-whether-obama-abused-powers-n729256
Another article denying evidence of any wiretapping and more denying from intelligence officials.
So what is it? Are the original NYT articles from January FAKE NEWS? If not then why are they contradicting themselves now? Why is clapper denying knowledge when his agency was reported to be involved? Why is comey being very careful with his wording? Why are other media outlets claiming there's no evidence to trumps claims? Granted it's not actually obama ordering it, but apparently months ago it happened DURING AN ELECTION and nothing was found.
It is thought that this is where the current leaks are coming from. From this surveillance that found nothing but continued on. The media says "right wing conspiracy" but the New York Times first reported it!!!! Lol
Like come on. Someone is lying here.
Edit: turns out I forgot to link a few sources when I re read this. How come no body pointed it out? Did anyone actually read this before commenting? I can tell a few of you didn't when you use phrases like "I think". Lol
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8 RepliesEdited by GG ALLIN RIP: 3/7/2017 1:34:42 PMYou're all over the place with this one. Just because the "liberal" NY times reported that Trump tweeted that he thinks he got wiretapped, doesn't meant that they're saying he did. They just reported his rambling. Second, just because James Comey said there was no wiretapping by the president doesn't mean he said there WAS, but it just wasn't Obama. Also, IF there was it was ordered by the CIA, DOJ, or FBI. Which means they had probable cause and the information is classified pending investigation. Also, you're using breitbart. Just because they're trying to cite the NY times article, doesn't mean they're using it objectively. They're putting a spin on it to make people like you think there's some big conspiracy and you're smart for believing it. You've been swindeled. Again. This was all another Trump distraction to take attention away from his administration's ties to Russia and Jeff Sessions' perjury. Aliens tapped my phone https://imgur.com/gallery/YRLRP
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3 RepliesHave you seen chef
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1 ReplyWouldn't surprise me if Obama really did illegally wiretap ttump tower, Obama made the end of his presidency on federal overreach
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2 RepliesEdited by Max Hass: 3/7/2017 10:39:23 PMIt seems more inconsistent than fake. I could open your article links and give a better answer, since this is b.net though, I'm not doing all that. Either way it's all just to distract people from the fact that Trumps administration has ties to Russia.
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1 ReplyI still haven't seen proof about the wire tapping.
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1 ReplyFrom the first article.[quote]WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions [u]as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort[/u], current and former senior American officials said.[/quote] [quote][u]It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself.[/u] It is also unclear whether the inquiry has anything to do with an investigation into the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computers and other attempts to disrupt the elections in November. The American government has concluded that the Russian government was responsible for a broad computer hacking campaign, including the operation against the D.N.C. [u]The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia.[/u] Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said. Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.[/quote]As far as I can make out, Trump's allegations are specifically levelled at Obama and the 'wiretapping' was specifically aimed at him (Trump). Neither of these things are confirmed in the first article, which talks about a broad investigation into many of Trump's aids on the subject of Russia. The rest of the articles are responding to Trump's specific claims about him personally being being spied on, which are not contradictory to the first one because of this distinction.
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Good job Ghost should take notes. [spoiler]dont have time to actually read through the details but will later[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyBasically you put together what levin was talking about. Good job. I'm lazy af aren't i?
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2 RepliesBump4later plox? I need time to read all of this.
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13 RepliesEdited by The Cellar Door: 3/7/2017 1:48:00 PMYour logic is all over the place. This wiretapping shit is true because a news organization which you don't trust anyways reported something which you then take as true in order to support your point? No. It's fake news. The lot of it. Read the NYT article more carefully. You can try to spin it anyway you like, it's a big fat distraction from all the shit that's actually going wrong with the administration. That's the entirety of the campaign and the administration, to shift focus on other people being bad, regardless of whether or not that is true. When this shifting of focus is called into question, devalue that news organization. If Trump says it, we support it. Doesn't matter if he kills someone, it's okay, right?
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3 RepliesPsst. You left the Breitbart referrer links in your sources. Might want to fix that to maintain [i]some [/i]level of objectivity. [quote]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0&referer=http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/amp/[/quote] [quote]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?_r=0&referer=https://www-breitbart-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/03/05/new-york-times-trashes-its-own-reporting-on-obama-admin-wiretapping/amp/?amp_js_v=7[/quote]
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10 RepliesIt's fake news because it isn't "if Trump was tapped" it's "if Obama had Trump tapped." He didn't.
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I hope I didn't miss anything. I'll update if I think of something else.
