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Edited by UltraNoahXV: 7/9/2016 10:35:05 PM
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"The last thing we wanted was for you to look at your favorite gun or helmet and decide that it had become obsolete."

BXR Lonestar: [quote]We Beta/Y1 vets will NEVER let them forget this statement, or the ensuing betrayal that followed.[/quote] https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/12447 [quote][i][b][u]In the months to come, your quest to become more powerful will have more avenues that lead to satisfaction. The last thing we wanted was for you to look at your favorite gun or helmet and decide that it had become obsolete. Your feedback is clear: The time you have invested in your stuff should be respected. [/u][/b][/i][/quote] -Deej, December 4, 2014 Well, Deej, 19 months later, our rewards aren't satisfying enough compared to Year 1 due to the insane grind with different modifiers in pve, our year 1 gear was made obselete due to Luke Smith (Thank you Chris Barret for bringing Year 2 Gear to Year 3), and our stuff that we invested in Destiny *cough* Trials of Osiris for weeks to get a Doctrine of Passing *cough* always gets nerfed. Is this what you wanted? Here is an example: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/208266282/0/0 Other Guardians are Agreeing with this as well: SunuvaMitch: [quote][i][u][b]What's truly saddening is that there are weapons now that I could EASILY see myself using in this game for the 10 years they plan to keep up and running[/b][/u][/i] and I'll likely never have a chance to do so. Can you imagine ... "That's my good old Fatebringer and Vex Mythoclast. They've been with me through the test of time. I've had them since the beginning of this journey called Destiny." We'll never get to make those statements because Bungie will always obsolesce what we love.[/quote] Agent Fawk: [quote]Let us infuse our year 1 gear to year 2 at least! C'mon Bungie. Do the right thing. It's only fair considering year 2 gear will be infused to year 3. My request is more than reasonable. I'm not asking for y1 guns to be infused to the RoI or y3 LL. All I'm asking is that we be able to infuse all our y1 gear in our vaults to the TTK LL. This would make us legacy players, and most players in general, very happy and more apt to purchase Destiny when upgrading to the next gen consoles. Not to mention, I would immediately start playing again. If you continue to leave our y1 gear, you'll never see me or my wallet again once RoI is out. I'll delete the app shortly thereafter. Other guardians, say what you want about me leaving. I know you don't care. I'm not offended. And, I'm not one for ultimatums unless I really mean it.[/quote] [/quote] IDONTMAKESENS: [quote][b][i][u]I didn't play year 1. I don't have really any of the year 1 stuff. Buttttt..... it's only fair those who did should get their year 1 gear updated to be your current light level, or at least possibly infused to upper light.[/u][/i][/b] Then the chance to drop for everyone else with the same or similarly smaller effort you put into getting it. You shouldn't have to grind for it again, unless you got rid of it, because that makes it too complicated. But I might not be making any sense[/quote] Lonestar again: [quote]I really like this quote from Deej, written about 1/3rd the way down in the link I'll provide below. [quote]Let me get this straight. The player is never “wrong.” I believe that down to my bones. At Bungie, I represent to the developers what you say without prejudice. Lesson learned: Never Tweet when you’re in a hurry.[/quote] [url]https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/12447[/url] If we're never wrong, then why won't they listen to us when we tell them to reverse nerfs and stop nerfing? Why is Luke Smith's decision on elemental primaries substituted for our own? Why was Y1 gear left behind, when all who were there in Y1 want it to be upgraded WITHOUT having to re-grind for it? So many issues that there is a fairly large consensus on (with regards to the player base)- and yet, they don't even acknowledge us most of the time. They just substitute their judgment for our own.[/quote] N7riseSSJ: [quote]I recall once a quote from Luke Smith(?) saying something along the lines of wanting people to see guns others were using and being like "hey that's a cool gun, where can I get that?" So what happened to that, Bungie? All I see are guns from the Raid, which most are incredibly horrible and all look just as bad, exotics which most people can obtain pretty easily with 3oC, and guns from the Strikes and a crucible which are subject to a punishing RNG (along with some of that gear). At least in year one, there were guns that were highly sought after. I really don't know what happened. Everything just became worthless. Most guns I'm just like meh whatever. Once again, you need to [i]expand[/i] on your game. You don't have enough content to be RNGing things into the ground, microtransactioning things, or removing anything.[/quote] A quote from Bassmagnum from my other post: [quote]They need to do something. The only way I'm going to get the next chapter is if they comp it. I feel they owe us that much at least. And for the record I've never complained about anything regarding this game other than it's connectivity issues. [u][i][b]The phone number for bungie is 425-440-6800. Time for everyone to flood their office with complaint calls until they do something about the problem or change the number[/quote] Edit 3: apparently on Twitter, Cozmo is on vacation and Deej for some reason won't reply anymore to anyone. Edit 4: My patch Notes to Fix Destiny: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/208422311/0/0 Edit 5: Started Another Post on Bringing back Year 1 Gear: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/208505826/0/0 Edit: Started Another Post asking if Bungie could host a Developer Q&A with Players: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/208670434/0/0

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    • You can still use every gun in crucible and Y1 content. They could have just deleted all of our old gear altogether, but didn't. While I would like it to be at Y2 levels, those weapons were a different build of the game as far as upgrading them was concerned. I'm sure they would have to be retooled and setup for infusion. I may be wrong, but I thought they said we can infuse all our Y2 gear when ROI comes out.

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      • Edited by SkibidiRizzer, the Pogless: 7/8/2016 9:14:18 PM
        I was wearing a bunch of year one gear in the tower with my Atheon mask from festival of the lost and a guy sent me a message asking me where I got my helmet. I told him it was from festival of the lost at Halloween and he got really disappointed he couldn't get one anymore.

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        • Bump

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          • Double bump

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            • Deej is just the messenger, I don't get why people unleash everything at him. In the quote we said "the last thing WE want" he didn't say "I want" he doesn't make the decisions. Although it would be good to have those weapons back

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              • I forgot this statement and don't care!!! Move on and keep it as relics

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                • Bump.

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                  • BUMP!!!!!

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                    • Bump this bump!

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                      • I will never forget that quote....ever.

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                          • Edited by H_TOWN_BALLA_80: 7/7/2016 2:02:15 PM
                            I will never stop saying this; HoW was the pinnacle of Destiny by miles. Not the content as far as PoE and the story missions or hell even the HoW specific weapons, no, I mean because HoW made EVERYTHING IN DESTINY RELEVANT!!!!! During HoW I would literally race home from work and hop online with my crew and stay up way too late on a work night running VoG, then Crota and PoE for Etheric Light. Come into work the next day tired, caffeine my ass through the day and race home and repeat AND I LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT! You know why? You know what made HoW so good? Etheric Light and Bungie letting us actually become legend. Every single bit of Destiny was relevant. Every raid, every strike, you had reforging (fuq you if you were pissy because people got to re roll weapons, not your place to give a fuq who has what weapons so fuq off - using generic form of "you" here not aimed at OP). I would hop on and sherpa people through VoG/Crota/PoE even though I had everything just to help and for the love of the game and seeing people get that drop that they wanted or needed and I myself was still chasing Gally. All, and I mean A-L-L Bungie had to do with TTK was add more enemies, weapons and a new level cap with raid - period/end/stop. The game would have been phenomenal still. Instead they shat themselves. This is a FPS, not an MMO and like any FPS I expect for have my full suite of weapons and gear until the next installment of that franchise. As we are in Destiny 1, I should still have ALL of my Destiny 1 gear. Sorry, no valid argument against that. Deej and his "it's a new year" or whatever the fuq he said isn't gonna work on me, only lemmings fell for that shit. I would have gladly spent 10 years using Y1 shit if I chose to. Because it's just that, MY CHOICE. If another PvE player thinks that would be boring or whatever then great, STFU and play with what you want. I'll STFU and play with what I want. So I say all that to say this; Contrast how I spent Y1 playing at all times even when I was at max to now. Now, pffft, I'm max on all 3 characters and couldn't be happier to be taking a break from this fuq fest. I barely play now compared to Y1. Losing good gear, endless nerfs, catering to streamer fuqs and their legions of lemmings, shitty raid gear, hell I even skipped IB for the first time ever this past IB. Just wasn't worth the bullshit. You know what pisses me off the most though, not the fuqng streamers or their lemmings, but sites like Polygon that do nice cushy interviews with Bungie and they both act like everything is so fuqng hunky god damned dory and they promote Rise of Iron while Rome burns all around them. Connection issues, nerfs galore, characters being deleted, yep sweep ALL of that shit under the rug because it's time to slurp some Bungie!

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                            • Honestly, who cares? Bungie said one thing a very long time ago, probably meant it at the time, then changed their minds once they actually had a year of experience running the game under their belt. This happens all the time, and no game developer is obligated to stick to every word they've ever said about the game years later on. Simply put, Bungie had zero experience designing a loot based game - in year 1 it showed with terrible design around multiple aspects of itemisation and drops. They've since corrected a lot of that. And guess what? Same thing will happen again when Destiny 2 launches.

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                              • I appreciate this post, and a lot of the replies posted below. My own personal view is simple. I don't really care if my gear becomes out of date quickly, because if I want to use it for something now, I do. All it does is make certain things more challenging, but a challenge can be fun in itself anyway. Many say that bungie needs to expand on this game, that it lacks content, that they take it away... every DLC expands on the game, it adds to it, refusing to play older stuff because the gear is no longer the most powerful doesn't mean it isn't there anymore, thats a personal choice every player makes, if you make that choice it doesn't then mean its Bungies fault that the game is smaller. Of course, in an ideal world it would all raise every time, but when you add new end game activities to a game that is constantly growing, the old stuff is no longer the 'end'. Is it? I'd like to ask a question: How would everyone feel if the vanilla game came out with TTK and everything up to it included? Would you still be angry about having to put fatebringer away in the pursuit of reaching the maximum level? or would you see it as a stepping stone like weapons in most other level based games?? I think the reason destiny has this issue is we are playing it as it grows in front of us, It's not a title that has it's full story told on release like many others do. We don't have anything to compare it to, other than MMOs, which aren't really a valid or fair comparison because thats not really what destiny is. Bungie in theory should probably have waited, released the whole thing in X years, everything included, start to finish... I bet there would be far less of these complaints then. By releasing the game in blocks as DLC we get attached to what we have in the space between, then many get mad when the game takes a step past them. If that step was already there to be taken, nobody would bat an eyelid.

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                                • 508 comments and counting... really Cozmo and Deej? Got nothing to say here?

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                                  • #NeverForget

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                                    • The only way bungie and destiny is going to change for the better...is with a BOYCOTT. You can ask for this and that, and plead your issues all you want until you are blue in the face...but until they take a serious hit to their sales and money coming in, NOTHING is going make them respect their customers. Those that support bungies actions with continued monetary support, are only justifying bungies unethical treatment of their customers. Period.

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                                      • Keep bumping this repeatedly guys. It's time that we can raise the damage on the weapons we worked DAYS for to max. Not year two at the least, but max damage as time goes on for the full 10 year span. And not just year one, every legendary armor and weapon should be able to be maxed out. You want variety in the game, then mixing weapons from year 1,2,and upcoming 3 will give you all the variety you need.

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                                        • Bump hope they do the right thing and bring the old stuff back..

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                                          • Edited by Erijian: 7/7/2016 12:38:39 AM
                                            Yawn. Another "take quote out of context" and "we'd be better at balancing Destiny" thread. Any thread that has that quote in it should just be automatically deleted at this point; people just do not understand [b]WHY[/b] they said it, [b]WHAT[/b] it was in response to, and [b]WHEN[/b] it was stated..even though they're Y1 players.

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                                            • Remember guys, they partnered with Activision. That was a death sentence the moment the paper was signed.

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                                              • Just wanted to remind everyone that deejs response to being confronted on why time wasn't respected with ttk was "This is year 2"

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                                                • These are the same guys who claim we can be defined by our armor. Did you read what Bungle said in their news bulletin? Apparently, they only see three categories of player: PvP elitists, Raiders, and KinderGuardians. I am not making this up. I put a link to the News article here at the top of my thread. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/208524687/0/0

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