Dude. You're f ucked in the head if you vomit out a diatribe like that, chastising people for being critical of a multinational corporation, and then expect to be taken you seriously. Instead of fighting the good fight for a company that wouldn't cross the street to spit in your face, you should calm the -blam!- down and try to find something more productive to do with your, apparently, unlimited time. And maybe less bold underlined text. Who do you think is interested in being yelled at by some anonymous ass hat who thinks he knows better then everyone else? That sort of delusion of grandeur is extremely misplaced in reference to a issue from the land of make believe.

First, lets set a few things straight and clarify before anything else. [b]1: Before and After the Dark Below DLC, my opinion that the Thorn was a piece of garbage never changed. I got it, used it, totally hated the thing and then promptly dismantled it. Likewise, my old school, original version New Monarchy "Red Hand IX" tore Thorn and Last Word users to shreds in the Crucible, to which I greatly enjoyed the hate mail I got from them for it. 2: I got the Gally. Compared it to my rare drop Steel Oracle Z-11 (Pre-Dark Below people should know what this weapon is), and promptly dismantled the Gally a week later. Reason? Its not worth it. I have plenty of other Exotic weapons that I would rather be using since you can only have one equipped at a time. 3: To hell with that Vex Mythoclast, I have already dismantled three of those suckers. Again, so many OTHER better options to choose from. 4: At no point in time did I ever advocate or agree with anyone that anything in this game should be nerfed. Never. The weapon doesn't make the man, the man makes the weapon. If you die, you pick yourself back up and use that anger to make yourself better.[/b] That all being said, I entirely disagree with a number of things that you said. For one, I'm just one such example that there were clearly people in the community who were against nerfing weapons. We didn't ask for any of that, and in the end a lot of people who weren't really doing anything wrong in the least are now going to be impacted by this. Mostly the PvE players, and this nerf is obviously mostly the result of nonsense going on in the PvP side of things. Case in point, reducing the number of bullets per mag for ALL Hand Cannons? All of them? In addition to reducing the damage/range which to my knowledge was the only thing people were actually complaining about? For two, I don't understand this submissive attitude people have in regards to Destiny and in gaming in general. At what point did players stop expecting/wanting more from their games? It makes very little sense. Bare in mind, my first console was an ATARI 7800, with games like Pacman, Space Invaders, Tron and Pitfall. I've grown up along with the evolution of gaming and I've seen and played a lot of great things. I come from an era where it was always about the games themselves, for both the community and the developers. Companies like CD Project Red, Bioware and Bethesda still follow this trend by putting out high quality products where you really get your monies worth. Meanwhile, Destiny is becoming like this quasi Freemium type of game where they nickle and dime you for literally everything, and overcharge you to boot. (Though that isn't Bungie's fault, Activision handles all of the actual business aspects of things) A good example of this is how they priced their CE Digital Content. The community was complaining about how we've already spent $100 on Destiny, saw the price for this new TTK Legendary Edition and then proceeded to flip shit when we saw all the Collector's Edition stuff and were told we would need to pay $80 to get it, to re-purchase everything we already had. And they respond to people complaining about spending money how? By giving them another opportunity to spend MORE money... And to make it worse, they price the value for the CE stuff (Digital Content only, not the replica Strange Coin or any of the actual physical items that were the ACTUAL Collector Loot...) at $20... So they are basically saying that 3 Emotes, 3 Exotic Class Items, an Emblem, Shader and Sparrow equal the same cost value as the Dark Below or House of Wolves? Bare in mind, the Dark Below was bad, but that sucker had a RAID in it. So these few things from the CE are equal in value compared to a RAID? A Raid? (Starting to understand why folks were angry?) This was not an acceptable solution to the discontent the community was experiencing. This was not "Bungie being nice" in the least. It didn't even have anything to do with Bungie, its all Activision because they manage the finances for the whole damn thing. My proposal was that they either drop the price from $40 to $30 instead for the digital download of TTK. Either that or keep the $40 price tag but include the CE Digital Content for free for those who have already paid for the Dark Below and House of Wolves. This is from a purely "Consumer" perspective, putting any and all personal likes or dislikes aside. Lastly, we have no actual reason to believe that anything we do or say is being heard or discussed by Bungie. Case in point, DeeJ has already stated in an interview that they only pay attention to threads that are trending. However, all it takes is a single "Down Vote" from anyone to remove a thread from trending. So quite literally, the trolls are the ones who get to dictate what does or doesn't get attention from Bungie. That includes this thread as well. You essentially need to be stupidly lucky that someone from their end happens to be reading the forums at the time when your thread manages to trend, otherwise it'll just get passed over and never seen. Which brings up my last point. Negative Feedback is still feedback. If people flatout hated the game, they wouldn't be bothering to post on these forums at all. And those that still do after having quit most likely are just bored and are using the App on their phone or whatever. I don't think its right or fair to suddenly label anyone that is saying anything bad about the game as simply being "whiners" and discredit any kind of value that their post might have. Especially when their opinions aren't even addressed to you or anyone else. In this case, you are addressing the community itself so I feel justified in responding to you. But if this thread was simply telling Bungie "hey good job guys!" then I wouldn't really be within my rights to say anything to you, would I? That wouldn't be very fair since all you would be doing is expressing your own opinion. So why hate on others for giving their own opinions in the hopes that Bungie will see them and something productive might be done to resolve the matter? The mere act of voicing their complaints helps to calm them down. What right does anyone have to tell them they are wrong for doing so? That being said, I think this thread is rather contradictory, don't you think? You are telling the community to stop complaining, and yet you yourself are complaining. Wouldn't it make more sense that if you don't like reading negative comments about Destiny or Bungie, it would simply be smarter and more logical to ignore them and not read said comments? Food for thought.

You're right the issue isn't Bungie (more accurately: isn't solely Bungie), it's you, and people like you, who are so far up Bungies asses you can kiss their tonsils, you're not a Bungie employee, stop brown nosing. A competitive PvP arena is supposed to be balanced, the fact that Bungie still hasn't figured out how to properly balance PvP almost a year into the games release, and over a year since the alpha and beta dropped just showcases their incompetence. As for Gjhallahorn, the reason every one turns to it is because the mission designs are shitty and people only put themselves through them for the loot, missions in this game all the way from strikes and campaign missions to raids with the rare exception of one or two encounters; bullet sponge boss, wave after wave of enemies, rinse repeat, and you blame people for wanting to knockout those missions as quickly as possible, Destiny PvE is a -blam!-ing chore to get to the rewards, it's not a game.

I'm not going to try and defend bungie or the community here but here is my thoughts on your thoughts. Players cried for nerfs and they received them, the first round was purely based on statistics bungie had, so they decided to cry for a gally nerf because they couldn't get them. Now you don't need a Gally to complete anything, it simply makes it easier so no skin off anyone's nose besides the few who want to race through stuff without learning the encounter. Thorn/TLW/suros/vex these weapons did need some tuning but not to the extent some of them have received. I can't say what thorn or TLW will be like yet but it doesn't seem that bad, that said the AR nerf didn't seem that bad until actual numbers came out, bungie said it would be 2.5% and on some it was 14% this is bungie pissing people off by lying and not trying to piss people off. Bungie put themselves in the need to nerf gally situation themselves, I don't mind but I see where people would be pissed. Bungie decided to exclude match making and told players flat out its up to you to find your fire teams, this will always lead to people being excluded for activities based on gear/playtime/titles/KDR/etc etc.. Now if you were picking a base ball team and you were allowed to chose whatever you wanted for a prerequisite would you want people who you knew (just statistically) would be able to hit home runs or people who you weren't sure about? I see that as a gally basically you chose your team with the highest statistically chance for success, not saying it will work but statistically you should be able to win easily. Now in regards to year one rewards I still see that as a slap in the face. Luke comes out and acts like people will just throw money at them if something looks cool then after the community uproar they charge 20$ for the extras. Now I know a game gets cheaper as it ages, multiple mmos charge full price for expansions when they are new and then let you get multiple ones for the price of a new expansion later in the game. It's a great way to lure in new players as they get way more content for way less money, the down side is you lose out on the chance to play those activities while they are relevant. The problem I have is Luke acting like... Well a dickhead and then not offering a collectors edition for the same 20$ over base game price for vets but simply the cosmetic stuff, 60$ game (vanilla/TDB/HOW/TTK) add 20$ for the collectors edition with tons of extra crap not besides the in game stuff then for vets 40$ for TTK and another 20$ for the digital stuff without all the physical extras anyone else gets for 20$. You do say bungie is listening to us but honestly I think they are more monitoring us then actually listening to feedback. Take the vault space for example how long did people cry out for more? Then they decided to check our vaults and because most weren't full, besides the fact that if you had a full vault you were basically stuck with your setup if your char was full, they only gave us a few extra slots. I will give them half a praise for finally fixing weapons retroactively instead of going forwards from the patch as people who horde everything have a significant advantage then a new player, I mean why should a gun dropped on day one do more dmg then a new gun dropped after TTK? The auto rifle nerf was another shinning example of that as they used statistics with that nerf for both pvp and PVE. Then you have the patches for any cheese and the speed at they are able to fix those but other things go on the back burner that are more game breaking then a cheese. The perfect example would be after the patch with teleports and bubbles during aetheon, how long did that take to fix when you could play the raid how they wanted perfectly only to be killed by a bug that has been out for 3 months. I do see where you are saying they are improving the game for us but I can't agree with you. I personally think they are patching the game for they way they think we should play. Be it by nerfing weapons that a player uses in an unconventional way or a player who finds an alternative way to pass part of the game. Now the biggest thing I think people are upset about to this day is the massive amount of fluff that went into the game, basically being told this is the best steak dinner you will ever have with the highest grade ingredients possible only to be served craft Mac and cheese, instant mashed potatoes with jarred gravy and a piece of chopped steak. I can't blame anyone for still reading a menu and expecting something only to be gave something else, now this doesn't extend to no raid in HoW or the changes that have happened but simply the base game without letting review it until they launched the game.

I personally don't think any weapons should be Nerfed if anything the others should be brought up to par. I have never stood behind a weapon nerf. Honestly I don't care if they nerf them all. What does bother me is the reasoning. I seldom use any exotic other than the Gall but I do use Hazen in place of it alot when I want to use bad juju or lord of wolves. .... but to Nerf a weapon because ppl can't get a group for not having it o_O come on man you agree with that honestly? If ppl don't want me because I don't have a fall I say to hell with them you shouldn't want to play with them. The ppl I play with don't turn down helping others on raids or prison because they don't have a gally. I've said it in other posts that Bungie has done a awesome job without any of us in their offices typing code. How many other games out there are you still playing daily after a year? Leave the guns alone and deal with lag and server issues is my say. I admit I do love to stir the shit to see how much stink comes off from time to time though lol . I agree

Actually, I have to disagree. Most of the critical posts are consumers voicing displeasure with the product they purchased. In every community there are childish, insane, self centered, self serving BS. But with this game and Bungievision this is an issue created by Bungievision fed by them and magnified by them. Starting with their release of a game devoid of any thing resembling content, barely functioning on a Beta level, let alone as a released game. Bungievision, in their infinite wisdom, decided to ignore all the calls for more story, and optional matchmaking, and elected to dump all their effort into a broken PvP. DLCs were no better, all cost with no content. In all of those cases Bungievision turned a blind eye and deaf ear to all of the calls and pretended all was right with the world. The calls grew louder and still they ignore them. Then they decided to go on a nerfing campaign, gutting the favorite weapons of a huge majority of players. Rather than Balancing Up, they decided to gut them all. They did this for any number of reasons, I MO they did it for the same reason why ascension will disappear crop the game. Bungievision wants player to never be satisfied with any guns or gear. They never want players to become attached to anything. So, they will cut the balls off of all gear that is not newly released gear. This game is all about manipulation by Bungievision and Asstivision. Manipulating players into spending worse money behind the bad they already spent on this gaming abortion. From a public relations perspective, Bungievision is missing on all cylinders. They spread nothing but lies when they promoted this game, selling the game and season passes with lie after lie. Using false advertising to dupe the public. They're still doing it with TTK.