I remember a time when there was peace, when auto rifles kept Thorn and TLW at bay, when fusion rifles were a good defense against handcannons. [i]I could tell you of the great nerf months ago, how the Suros was crippled. I could tell you of the power of the Mythoclast, its ancient enemy. There are many tales told throughout the crucible to frighten Christmas noobs. Lately, those tales have stopped. Now... the Christmas noobs are frightened anyway. The nerfs are coming back. The last good guns will not survive it this time.[/i]

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Nerfs over buffs. This doesn't need to be a twitch shooter like cod. I like a low TTK overall.

I totally understand what you are saying but there is a problem. The time to kill in Crucible is already too fast for top weapons. Buffing everything to be equal would mean no matter what weapon you face, you're dead in about 1.5 seconds after an enemy spots you.

You people don't get it. Buffing every single weapon in the game would require a hell of a lot of work. If things are under performing you buff them to be on par with the others. If something is overpowered you scale it back to be in line with the rest

why does the Red Death stagger players, have high impact and heal you?

Note this should all happen at once: piecemealing weapon balance is what caused this mess to begin with. Higher ttk>twitchfest. Balance everything to where ARs are now, Exotics need to be on par with equivalent legendary weapons. You use exotics for the perks, not because they outclass entire weapon classes. Spawn with zero special ammo, increase special drops and tone down OHK player abilities sans supers. Shotgun range on felwinters archetype shotguns should be halved but with overall quicker swap times. If you don't pick up a heavy crate, killing enemies drops a small amount of heavy ammo so you don't get wrecked by 6 rocket launchers over and over if a teammate took it for himself. Fix spawning or remove the 3v3 maps from 6v6 playlists. Put the large maps back in the 6v6 playlists. This gives long range weapons a place to shine as well as less instances of spawning in someone's sightlines/super. And finally ffs use connection based matchmaking for all of pvp or just get dedicated servers so that laggy messes of games are the exception rather than the norm. There I just made pvp 100x better than whatever horrible halo custom game this pvp is trying to be.

In my opinion: Bring all stats back to pre 1.1.1 except for new vex buffs. Not complaining about thorn but just to shut people up lets bring down DOT perks damage to around 6. Suros needs to be brought back to former glory. Thats all.

buff some, nerf the op af, if you buff every single one, its going to become a call of duty, 1 shot snipers, 2 shot weapons

Vex shouldnt do more then suros in my opinion. And speaking of suros, auto rifles need buffing. Esspessially in PvE. Im a scout guy myself and even i think theyre underpowerd

#bringbackmysuros

I would prefer that no primary weapon (bar remote and no land) could 2 shot someone. My favorite part of destiny is that like halo you have a fighting chance if someone gets the drop on you. I like cod and other games but i prefer games where you actually have a chance to fight back. Fast ttks are rediculous.

How about separate PvP from PvE? Then there is no need for Buff or Nerf.

What an embarrassing post and statistic from poll The majority of this community has no shame, no brains, and no skill

[quote]You're wrong. Here me out.[/quote] Bye [spoiler]jk, imo all kill times should be tripled[/spoiler]

Totally agree, as a friend of mine always says: "if everything is OP then nothing is OP"

Buffing every weapon that you feel needs to be buffed will eventually lead to short times to kill for every weapon. Let this not be CoD. Bungie created a well balanced shooter in Halo that relied more on skill as opposed to who saw who first. Leave them to the weapon changes. That being said, Destiny is a completely different game and will never be perfectly balanced due to its nature. These changes to weapons are going to keep happening so it's best to follow suit and use the 'OP' guns at any given time

The reason destiny is different from COD is that u can't install kill people with nearly every weapon, making skill levels go down. If it took time to kill then skill would be a factor, buffing everything will not help