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Bearbeitet von Rifter7:
1/7/2015 2:42:43 AM
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The status of Hunters in crucible.
http://destinytracker.com/destiny/population
There's some numbers. Out of the general population, hunters have higher kdrs and there's more of them in the top percentage.
Is there a problem with hunters, specifically gunslingers?
personally, i feel that gunslingers ult is too powerful for little skill requirement, and that it needs a nerf. i think it should do 150 body shot dmg with the headshot multiplier being 2.0. that will let headshots always be an instant kill, unless the player has damage reduction. in that situation 1 headshot and a body shot would kill them, or 3 bodyshots.
"thats wrong. im not asking to remove the super, either.
im saying it needs to take more skill.
a headshot = insta
bodyshot takes 2
150 or 175 dmg with 2.0 crit multiplier for when using against damage reduction.
read, people.
gg does 350 dmg"
edit: you guys keep saying nerf the other ults, but we're not seeing a 10% difference in use for top players and a .10+ difference in kd across the entire population for the other classes.
edit: there was some really good posts in here. for and against making changes.
the rest is complete garbage. i've mostly given up on responding to you people, just post your bad kdrs (theres a correlation somewhere) and leave onto the next one.
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1 AntwortenBlade dancer is broken lmao and you're bringing up gunslinger?
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I disagree on the nerd totally. Hunters super take the most skill to use out of all classes (aside from sunsinger). Thats like saying you need to nerf Fist of Havoc.....which btw takes no skill
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1 Antwortenwell the reason why the kdrs is up on hunter is probably because you have to play a little more conservative as a hunter because their is no overshield melees, bad ass grenade, or panic suppers. and you say GG needs to take more skill but can you name a supper that takes skill to use, the reason why titan and worlocks getting multi-kill with their supper is a site to behold is because they use it at the wrong moment, I don't know how many time I seen a titan use fist of panic on only me with a full bar health when he could have just killed me with a melee or randomly waste it when I hit them in the back from long rang < lmao when that happen > Plus bungie doesn't do the "more skill = more damage" thing if they did shoulder charge woundnt be a insta kill with no cool off timer and knife throw to the head would be all in all nothing needs to be changed, lvl your hunter, try it out and see the balance
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3 AntwortenIf we were to follow this logic then nova bombs should drain all but a slither of health and Fist of Havoc should have to hit the target to get the kill, otherwise it just tickles you. People laugh at Hunters as they feel they suck in PvE, but then moan that they are oppressive in PvP. We cannot win!!!
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Bearbeitet von Scorpion XV: 1/7/2015 8:17:15 AMIf The Golden Gun didn't kill in one shot it would unbalance the Gunslinger's super. Golden Gun wielders came be killed easily because they don't get a damage resistance. The Golden Gun is basically the equivalent of a swordsman abandoning all defensive and normal techniques to adopt a all-out offensive tactic or technique. The Golden Gun is a glass canon and it does its job well. With The Golden Gun you only get three shots, three kills. You miss you lose.
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Oh here we go another nerf post.
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13 AntwortenSo it takes my entire super to kill one person. But Titans and warlocks can get 6 kills with 2 buttons pressed while I actually have to aim and doge attacks okay. Gg mate.
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Simply outrun the player using Golden Gun / Arc Blade. You can hear them activating it and most of the maps have tight doorways and corners so you can easily get away from their supers. Gunslinger doesn't get damage reduction / shield while using their super meaning any sniper can headshot the Hunter with a single shot / 2 bodyshots, certain Machine Guns can shoot them with 3 shots, Rockets kill them with one shot, Thorn 2 shots etc. just like any other enemy that's NOT using a Super. Voidwalker can take more damage, Sunsinger can take more damage, Bladedancer can take more damage, Striker can take more damage, Defender can take more damage while using their super but GUNSLINGER can't. You want to nerf Gunslinger for 2 bodyshot / 1 headshot kill super? Then it would lose the meaning SUPER as my Sniper would achieve the same thing as the Gunslinger except for that it's not accurate by hipfiring. Praedyth's Revenge can basically fire as fast as Gunslinger, I could take 3 guys if I bodyshot each and one of them before reloading it. If I'd bodyshot with my Golden Gun, I'd get 1½/2 guys, depending if you use Achlyophage Symbiote or not. TL;DR: It would be stupid to nerf it. It already takes a small amount of skill to use compared to Voilwalker's or Striker's super (PANIC BUTTON) but all of these three can be used efficiently to get more kills than one.
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I also did some research on the diversity of classes in the top ranks and came to the same conclusion. Either good players play hunter mostly or the hunter is out of balance in PvP here. Although it does not bother me that much, I'd say, it's the later.
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[quote]bodyshot takes 2[/quote] ..how would you justify using a super if it takes 2 bodyshots to kill when most exotics handcannons kill in 2 shots as well?
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2 AntwortenWhat the -blam!- did you just -blam!-ing say about my gear, you little n00b? I’ll have you know I am a lvl 34 Wolf Warlock , and I’ve won so many PVP matches, and have soloed over one hundred raids dungeon. I also have every exotic weapon as well as the legendary Hextech Gunblade. You are nothing to me but just another shank . I will pwn the -blam!- out of you with Firebolt grenades the likes of which has never been seen before on Mars AND Venus, mark my -blam!-ing words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over raid? Think again, -blam!-er. As we speak I am contacting my clan of Mages and Templars across The 9 Planets and your character is being targeted right now so you better prepare for the ownage, n00b. The Nova Bomb that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your character. You’re -blam!-ing pwn’d, n00b. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my scorch melee. Not only am I extensively trained in Fire magic, but I have access to the entire arsenal of The Void Tree and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable neckbeard off the face of Earth, you little -blam!-. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your -blam!-ing tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re getting nerfed, you goddamnn00b. I will shit Dragon’s Breath all over you and you will burn in it. You’re -blam!-ing pwn’d, -blam!-.
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Bladedancer is way more OP than gunslinger but if just goes to show all hunters are cheap in pvp regardless of subclass
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WTF is an "ult"? This aint League Of Legendz!
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Lol use all three shots for one kill ? It might be great, not over powered but it doesn't deserve to be trash
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5 AntwortenPeople complain about being vulnerable during golden gun but the titan and the warlock (to some degree) risk their actual bodies while using a super and have to get close to the enemy. And to say you dont have to aim nova bomb or fist is simply not true. Hunter can activate gg and run around picking people off from across the map at no risk to themselves. Unless theyre dumb enough to step out in front of a bunch of people. Or worse, activate it out of panic in the middle of a group. Vulnerability is a risk that goes along with the reward of an easy one shot kill. Because no it really doesnt take skill to shoot golden gun. If you have any gun skill whatsoever and a little caution you can get three kills with it every time. Unless youre using the unstoppable perk with the titan its very easy to die mid super. Thats why i gave up on shoulder charging plus the fact that im not a scared noob anymore so i dont need to shoulder charge. Warlock is a different story. I routinely get killed by warlocks even though ive hit them with the Truth while theyre mid super. Fist and bomb are one shot opportunities. Miss and theyre gone. Youre not mobile while youre using them. You cant run around and drop three little nova bombs or three little fists seperately. You have to wait for the right time to get that multi kill then actually execute it. Golden gun is for cowards in my opinion. Its much easier to get 300 points with gg than it is to get them with fist or bomb and 300 points can end a close match very quickly.
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5 AntwortenThis info has been posted before and it does indicate that the hunter as a class is more effective in pvp. The asumption that it's because "better players" choose the hunters is just tin foilery.
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I usually only play Crucible during IB or when I have Exotic bounties involving the crucible, but from what I've seen, Hunter is basically the best choice if you want to stay competitive. Titans and Warlocks have some utility (Bubble is great for pointcapping, shouldercharge wrecks people up close, and Warlocks melee has some sick range, FoH and Nova are good for clearing out clusters of enemies), but Hunters ult's seem to have more versatility and overall I feel their abilities lend themselves better to crucible combat. With, say, a FoH attack or a Nova bomb, you have one shot to get it right, and it's really only worth using if there are multiple people all in the same area. With GG or Blade Dance, you can pop your Ult, kill one dude, and if no one else is immediately around? No worries, you have some time to find other people to instakill. I'm not saying they're overpowered, but I definitely feel Hunters have a little more leeway with regards to making the most out of their super.
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Oh another one of these threads *pops popcorn*
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2 AntwortenI think the OP hunter supers are made up for with their lack of a powerful melee attack and almost worthless throwing knifes. Also, they don't have a grenade that can pulse and kill people over time. Balanced IMO.
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Why should I have no automatic insta kill when a Titan can slam the ground and the effect goes up 50 ft into the sky an kill me
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7 AntwortenTHEY ARE SUPERS!! SUPERS!! WHY can't you get that through your head!? You don't even have a fully upgraded HUNTER for God's sake! WHY are you TRYING to take the piss out of Hunters day in and day out?! WE don't call for the Titan FOH to be nerfed do we?! WE don't call nerfs for your bloody OHK grenades. So PLEASE leave us the hell alone! Everything is hunter this, hunter that. Do even KNOW how easy it is to kill a hunter while they use their super?! It's LITERALLY a one shot with shotgun at point blank with a gunslinger! Get out seriously...so tired of you whining warlocks and titans
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We are pretty awesome but on par with the rest, especially as far as supers are concerned. I rarely get more than 2 or 3 kills with BD before I'm shot down, some hunters are more skilled than others. As for GG, I think it's pretty powerful but you only get a few shots. Under pressure, it's hard to make those shots connect, so that balances out in the end.
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Will never happen. Doesn't need to happen.
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Then nerf nova bomb and titan slam so they cant kill you unless the enemies health is already down so now its 2 nova bombs to killl one guy
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5 AntwortenIt's because more serious gamers like myself saw the passive weapon perks and instantly knew this would be the go-to class the be a gun using, knife throwing, faster jumping, overall more badass class to play. These more serious players play more and are typically better than casuals, it has nothing to do with being OP. Slow jump on warlock and titan? Yawn. Melee? Yawn. Throwing knife headshot across the map when someone is running away? Awesome. I don't play much PvP, but when I do I get killed by panic supers and freaking axion bolt grenades 9 times out of 10. Ooh lets throw a grenade [i]remotely[/i] near an enemy and get a free kill. Yawn.
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Warlocks are overpowered nuff said
