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12/5/2014 8:29:15 PM
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I completely agree and understand. With that being said, just leave already. Clearly a game that REQUIRES daily grinding is not for you. In no way am I trying to be mean but it's clear that with 3 kids you don't have the time to play a game like destiny. You casuals complain your asses off. You guys complained about not getting 30 and what happened, in your own words "they gave you" gear in form of iron banner. Now here we are again more crying and whining. You want to be "given" 32 as well.
You guys are ruining the game for people who actually want a challenge or like games that require a grind. The whole point of games like this and grinding are to have weapons and gear that "everyone and their mom" don't have. Don't punish hardcore gamers because casuals don't have the time to play. If that's the case go play sports games or something that isn't so time consuming.
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I am a hardcore gamer, and I feel the updates only punish us, not the casual gamer. I played a literal crap ton of destiny from launch day, and have been a massive Bungie fanboy since Halo combat evolved! since the last update announcement I haven't played at all. This game is a beta at best. Compared to the previous games they (Bungie) have made with the awesome amount of story mission options they've provided in the past ( I've flown, driven, defended, escorted, artilleried, etc) I got only two story missions in Destiny? Sword of crota and not sword of crota. WEAK! No defend an object that takes damage? No escort NPC? No drive a vehicle? No shoot a turret? No complete before timer runs out? No piloting a ship in space? This game isn't for the hardcore, the hardcore can handle tough, the hardcore aren't meant to depend on an RNG vendor, the hardcore can handle tactical variety. This game offers almost none of that. This game is weakly simple compared to THEIR OWN PREVIOUS GAMES! You want a hardcore experience, go find a hardcore game...
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Nicely said
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Here here
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And this is the other side of the fence i agree with also. Hardcore gaming is my heart and soul
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So you're happy you get to re-level your gear but only when it's offered by Xur? You think grinding makes you pro? I've done my share of the grind (3 level 30s, multiple sets of raid gear, beat the VOG before there were YouTube videos to walk anyone through it) but I don't want to start my arsenal over on select weeks. That's literally the definition of insanity. Stop calling people "casuals" for having a life. They want something new, not something recycled. That's why you hear complaints. Some people want to be given something, sure. I've earned my gear and my weapons. I want something new, not an option to do it all again for the 4th time.
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^^^This^^^
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It was all good till you said you "earned" your gear. Your just as insane as me then I guess.
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[quote]It was all good till you said you "earned" your gear. Your just as insane as me then I guess.[/quote] If the play time is there then gear is earned. With enough play time the statistics balance out. Flip a coin 10 times maybe you get unlucky with 1 head. Do it 1000 times you will be close to 50%. Point being most players with high play time will likely have most of the gear, that yes, they [b]earned[/b]
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What about players with a lot of play time, and no gear/good stuff? They... need to get skill!?
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[quote]What about players with a lot of play time, and no gear/good stuff? They... need to get skill!?[/quote] They are outliers: well represented in these threads but few and far between considering the entire gaming population of Destiny.
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What about them though? ;l
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That's the case with any game with RNG though. For Destiny, some solutions include: (1) creating 3 characters to increase odds (2) increase play time or (3) both. In any case you are detracting from my original statement which was specific to earned gear. I am not debating whether RNG as a method of loot was the right play by Bungie. It very well could be "unfair" that players who have played for a period of time have yet to receive any raid or exotic gear. But again, that is a separate issue.
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Sure there's a random factor to drops, but I have all of the raid drops for all of the characters. Beating the raid legitimately is earning in my book. Getting a drop from the RNG gods after going negative in crucible is inversely not earning. Having a 27 kill streak in IB and getting Last Word... Earning. Purchasing an item from Xur is purchasing (not earning). Helping a clan get 30s even after you've got your gear is "earning". Jumping in as Atheon slides off a cliff to get a Mythoclast... Not earning.
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When you use strange coins (that you earned), and buy a weapon or armor from xur, I think that means you earned your weapon.... Yes?
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Bearbeitet von mundane1: 12/5/2014 9:17:36 PM@draftd 1) Your assumption that hardcore gamers like grinds is stupid. 2) Your mincing of his words of regarding gear from Iron banner being given is just petty. 3) Someone who spends time on the content SHOULD be able to get to max level and he has so he's not being "given" anything. The bottom line here is that Bungie is taking away the time we spent on items and completely changing the economic dynamic of the game, all within about two week period. Not to mention a week after implementing this new exotic shard item and taking the ascendant energies off the exotics they're saying ohh by the way, that shard you just used to max out your existing exotic was wasted. If you don't see a problem with how this is being implemented you're simply blind or past the point of logic.
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"Given" was quoted from OP the creator of the thread.
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Yes and you took it way out of context to assume that no effort was required.
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Bearbeitet von FuzzyWhiteLion: 12/5/2014 9:11:29 PMDon't fool yourself. No one is a special snowflake in Destiny. Everyone and their mom has most of the gear out there. The raid gear is the only somewhat rare stuff but even that is plentiful. Level 30 just means you received favorable RNG drops even if you were being carried. You don't even need to enter the raid on hard to be level 30! You do not need to "grind" this game daily, much less "grind" it at all. Furthermore, "Grinding" is not a challenge - it's so easy a monkey can do it but is probably too smart not to. Destiny offers so few challenges that it would be difficult to call this game anything more than an easy-medium difficulty game.
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I see what you are saying. But a person who raids 50 times is more likely to have a full set over a person who raided 10. Sure it's all rng but just like the lottery you chances (slightly lol) increase the more you play. You see the forums I'm just pointing out the obvious. People want things in this game for doing nothing it's just getting old.
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Usually it's people that do the raid more than once, and haven't gotten the gear they want, that usually complain. I haven't seen any complaints of anyone actually doing nothing, and then raging about not 'earning' anything. Last thing I did on Destiny, was play the raid (last week before reset). I used my level 29 titan, and I have the raid arms and the chest piece. At the end of the game, I got more arms and another chest piece. I'm not complaining, because I understand that it doesn't help anyone to complain about it. I'm just using my experience as an example of the people that do complain. Destiny is about having fun with your friends. There's a lot of new stuff that changes the game completely.. It is better, but I can see why people who have 200/300+ hours would complain about having to restart with their gear. It's like their first time playing again. A whole new game. Bam.
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I agree. Yes, raiding more will give you better chances of getting that gear. I raid because I enjoy it and if I pick up gear as I go then great, and if not it doesn't matter because my goal is to have an enjoyable experience with a group while blowing things up. Others may raid because they want the loot, and with each passing raid where they get nothing they grow frustrated and angry which then doubles when they find out that this ultimate gear is now not as good as the new ultimate gear. They may then equate to running the raid 50 times as grinding the raid, but I equate the running of the raid 50 times as 50 times that I had a good time and I'll probably be happy to do it another 50 times.
