OP updated to better explain meaning of thread:
[b]READ: Let's get something straight. I am vying for the rights of the consumer. This has nothing to do with your enjoyment of the game. The game was launched with a severe lack of content relative to what was alluded to at pre-launch. Instead of either delaying the game to allow time to finish the content that has already been started or adding in the full content for free, they're charging extra and labeling it DLC. If consumers continue to support this producers who put out unfulfilled games then add DLC that should've already been in the game after, this will become the norm. There are only negative consequences for consumers possible from this outcome.[/b]
Let me elaborate on the main point of this thread: helping consumers. More a more recently developers are pushing out half-assed products that need DLC to fill what they lack.
For example: Destiny. Pre-launch, we were promised a huge scope, excessive customizations and huge landscapes. What we actually received paled in comparison. Compared to what was alluded to pre-launch, the retail game severely lacks content.
Now, players are find areas inside the disc game that are locked. Sure, some of them a simply polished textures, but others are nearly refined besides enemies and other variables. Yet, the fact remains that we are not able to access the entire game without paying extra money.
By entire game, I'm implying what was alluded to before and even after launch. Presently, we are forced to wait for purchaseable downloadable content to truly complete what was supposed to be GOTY.
I don't know about you, but this is an attemp to take complete control over the consumer.
Products nowadays are becoming less and less refined than those of the past due to consumer ignorance. Consumers ignore the fact that producers are taking direct advantage over then for easy money.
This is causing a loss in both quality and quantity that should be expected from a $60 AAA title.
By allowing this to continue, all consumers will ultimately suffer. When producers see no reason to put that extra time and care into their game, as a large amount of ignorant consumers will still purchase then, we will be left with half-finished games that you'll need to pay above and beyond the price of $60 to fully take advantage if what you should've had available to you at launch.
Here, we are talking about principles. Producers should feel obligated to delivery quality content to consumers. They shouldn't be allowed to take advantage of consumers by making them pay for more than just the disc to fully enjoy what the game has to offer.
EDIT: How does the game feel complete to anyone? Bungie is practically penny-pinching consumers' money to finish off the game, while all the while they go around randomly nerfing things and continually sticking to the repetitive quality of the game. They make empty-statements and promises that end up in no significant change to the way the game is. Buying the DLC just gives the company further reason to continue this action, as they'll only see the profits that can come from such an activity.
Obviously, as I've stated in response to a number of comments, I realize there can't be a change overnight. But, truly, the way Bungie and Activision are handling their new title is nothing to support.
[b]EDIT 2:[/b]It seems many have misinterpreted the meaning behind this thread. I'm not asking developers to make the game I want, and I'm certainly not trying to act entitled.
What I am doing, however, is hoping consumers will start making more educated decisions. That they will stop throwing out money to penny-pinchers, such as at EA and Activision, and instead actively support positive changes in the industry.
This shift, though gradual, could eventually add up. And I know I'm speaking to a limited audience, and that nothing significant will occur spontaneously, nor over the next few years. But there still remains the principle that consumers play a large role, whether they choose to accept it or not, in the direction in which the industry is headed.
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12 AntwortenSpent over 180$ on a wow sub for a year. Buying a dlc or two is the least you can do to support the game. It's how they can maintain content. I, for one, am tired of self entitled "adults". Two major dlc's each for 20$ or so seems like a fair price to me.
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I don't understand at what point this practice became "new" and "dangerous" for us to support? Have you ever played any game that followed an expansion/DLC model before? I'll illustrate using World of Warcraft during its initial release. You bought the discs. You installed. You played through the available zones. There were ENORMOUS amounts of zones that were: 1. Visible on the world map but not accessible. 2. Visible to your character but not accessible. 3. Visible to your character & on the map and accessible but had no visible or practical purpose. There were also Doorways and Structures that were just there, that didn't make sense until LATER. The ones you could access had high level mobs that didn't make sense until: 1. A free patch made use of the zones via event, raid, instance, town, NPC, etc. 2. An expansion added the content to develop the area or create the location those entrances/doors/etc led to. Does any of that sound familiar? And before you start comparing the content, remember the $60 pricetag for the game, the $15 per month fee (every 4 months adding up to the full cost of the game), and the $60 full expansions that are sold about every year or two since release. You're getting a lot of bang for your buck and nothing Bungie did here is out of sorts compared to practices established long ago which have always been accepted by the community.
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5 AntwortenAdults who understand business will understand this thread. What Activision did, is a sure way to hurt their business in the long run. The problem is that kids and adults who don't understand business, will just buy the DLC anyways.
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Meh. We'll see how it fares once the FPS fans flock to CoD and the MMO fans flock to Warlords of Draenor in November. I believe these two releases will show whether this game is good enough.
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7 AntwortenSo, here is my logic. I have gotten dozens of hours out of this game for $60. I could have instead gone out for one to two nice meals, which would have given me about 2 hours of happiness. Maybe I could have spent $60 on 18-36 holes of golf and gotten maybe 6 hours of stressed out, angry fun out of that. I could have spent 3 hours at Dave n Busters accumulating enough tickets for $60 to buy a copy of Halo 2. If I get more than 10 hours out of a video game and have fun doing it, I realize that $60 does not go far AT ALL in the real world. Pardon my French, but get a life mademoiselle.
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Bearbeitet von LokiShinigami: 10/8/2014 8:59:23 PMYou (and the majority of this community) remind me of a certain self-entitled brat . . .
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5 AntwortenTerrible terrible logic and sense of entitlement. Bungie revealed in trade shows what Destiny will be in the long term, not what the initial release will contain. The Destiny universe won't all be available in the first game. To assume that is ridiculous, and means you haven't been paying attention to the game industry for a while. DLC is the norm now, and considering what you do get in the original game, it's worth the price of the DLC for another 48-72 hours of game time. How much time have you spent playing Destiny already? More than the $60 purchase price I'll guarantee that. Watch them go to a monthly subscription fee because kids like you are complaining about DLC. By your logic, you bought a ticket to the Avengers movie, now you expect to see all the sequels for the price of admission to the first part? Get over yourself. You're not convincing anyone or changing any minds, just whining and looking for something to stand for.
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Too late, buyed on day one already.
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If you don't like destiny go play elder scrolls online on a console, they have to pay over $250 a year just to play it and $60 for the actuall disc
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What a waste of print! Hopefully this will spawn no future releases.
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Not only negative results, the game companies make more money which means they make BETTER flics and games in the future, BOOM
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But please, continue to pretend like you would not have bought Destiny in its current form.
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The game is awesome. I don't mind paying for DLC at all... it beats the hell out of $15 a month. Sure it's not quite what I was expecting.. but it's still an awesome experience and The OP must agree or else he/she would just stop playing and move on.
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I might not buy another Activision game, but I have this game, believe it will become better over time; view the DLC as more of a optional paid subscription service. I want to see this game grow, so I will buy the DLC happily.
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Bearbeitet von PickledGopher: 10/8/2014 8:46:10 PMYou are right op. The reason companies do this in the first place is because people let them. As soon as consumers become responsible and say enough (with their wallets) companies like EA, ubisoft and Activision will continue their methods. With that said I bought the online guardian edition with passes. Bad consumer I am, but I do enjoy destiny, its just not anywhere near the game I had hoped band if I didn't already have the pass I'd decline at this point.
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2 AntwortenBearbeitet von FuzzyWhiteLion: 10/8/2014 8:33:36 PMI couldn't care less if the DLC was "removed" from the game for X, Y, or Z reason. I've got more than my $60 out of Destiny and then some, and I haven't even gotten through all of the content. I'll definitely be buying the DLC because more is better and I enjoy the gameplay. What makes you feel that you are entitled access to any area that was "removed" from the game and may be offered as DLC? You never paid for that content so why should you have it for free? Any action to try and "punish" activision is actually foolery. If this game stops making money and Activision pulls the plug, then once those servers go down this game is worth less than a paperweight. No server = no play. There is no offline play for this one. If I want to make a stand for consumer rights, I'm going to do it when the fallout isn't likely as big and of course when I agree with the point.
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Eh I already bought it
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7 AntwortenThis thread is not going the way OP had hoped.
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4 AntwortenBearbeitet von Jaysekk: 10/8/2014 10:43:37 PMHfhd I eurrbf
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7 Antwortenanother player who thinks the know what is going on. #WGtheDERP
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4 AntwortenBearbeitet von NinjaCoby: 10/8/2014 10:04:56 PMIt's [b]FANTASTIC[/b] that there is no such thing at all as DLC for Destiny. It's EXPANSIONS packs because they actually do something for a game called EXPANDING. I already have them and it doesn't hurt at all. Destiny is [b]FANTASTIC.[/b] Also in my opinion the bad Walking Dead game you have to pay to play over and over unless you get the pass but you still pay for more crap. Now didn't that get GOTY? The only opinion part is that its bad but rest is true.
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I completely support your topic. So not only am I not buying the DLC, I'm taking Destiny back to Gamestop. 33 more days until Halo Master Chief.
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4 AntwortenAnyone happen to point out the irony that he's trying to support our rights as a consumer but then states "your enjoyment has nothing to do with the game?"
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22 AntwortenHorse shit, Mega man X is a 4 hour game and adjusted for inflation cost $85. Bungie were selling Destiny as a franchise, not just one stand alone game, there are 10 years of content planned, this is just the beginning. Their marketing is no more dishonest than any other media marketing campaign. Bottom line is there is plenty of content for a $60 game, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is a disaster.
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3 AntwortenFirst, I want to commend you on taking the time to post an intelligent, well thought out post. Seriously. Even if people don't agree with you, I think the feedback and thoughts you offer are good. I would be a hypocrite, however, if I said I supported doing this. I've sunk 150 hours into the game and had some of my best coop experiences in years, with Destiny. While the content may seem limited on the surface, I treat it like a giant playground. My group plays together, just romping through areas and missions with different modifiers, playing some pvp, working on bounties, etc. This whole game seems to be breaking new ground in that way, and while there are a few growing pains, I've very impressed with the experience so far. I think it has potential. But, as a free thinking community, I absolutely respect your motivations for this. If people get behind it, support it, then Bungie will have to respond. Personally, I'm enjoying it thus far, and I'm giving Bungie some leeway to see where they go from here.
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1 AntwortenIf I had a penny for every thread like this about DLC from MASS EFFECT, BF, KZ and ext..