Still buying because I wants it.

This wall seems worthy of a mute. Take care!

Didn't read it. Get lost. No one cares about any of the blather you have to say.

You don't like it leave...crying and whining trying to act like an all mighty savior is pathetic. I would guess not one person will not buy the dlc based off this idiotic, whining rant.

Tough, if you dont like the game, quit playing and let those of us who do enjoy it. Futhermore if we choose to buy the dlc, get over it. we dont have to care what you think about how you want the game to be, nor does Bungie ever.

I like to play AAA games and therefore don't have any major issues with the methods they need to use in order to make them profitable enough to make. I would rather pay $60 for a game and then pay more for additional content only if I like it then pay higher upfront retail price. Companies need to be profitable in order to continue making games. DLC is a model that woks.

Bought the DLC and there is nothing you can do but cry, -blam!- I'd buy it 20 times just to spite you -blam!-ers.

nope not buying it this game is so shit

As much as I understand your point and somewhat agree, people who are unhappy about the content in the game are a minority. I, actually am having a fun time playing so I will be buying the DLC because I want to, I don't have to buy it if I didn't want to. If the dlc content is already on the disk but there aren't any enemies or missions,etc. I don't see it as playable content because it's just space that's not finished but that's just my opinion. I used to play around in unity 3d and what they said as "playable terrain" is technically true. You can make land as far as you want and just have barriers to prevent players to the confined area. Maybe one day we will be able to go out there, maybe not but it's already possible. There is just a barrier preventing us from venturing out that far.

Well you have two options. 1) Buy the DLC and show Bungie that you want to support the game in the future and give them the chance to make it better. 2) Don't buy the DLC, and Activision will pull the plug on most future content, severely limiting the lifespan of Destiny and putting any future Sequels in jeopardy. But go ahead, spend all your time talking about pointless things like consumer rights.

Also, just because a few icons showed up on a map does not mean the DLC is on the disc already. Nor does the Expansion Pass being a very small download. See, Destiny does game updates a little different to most games. Instead of publishing it's updates to the PSN/Xbox stores, it publishes them to the Destiny servers, which then seeds them directly to everyone's game. The game downloads updates in-client directly from the server. Which is why there is no need for large update packages through the PSN/Xbox store. The only times Bungie sends updates through the stores is when the Destiny client itself requires an update, like this weeks update for example. Also, much of the games data is located on Bungie servers, this is why things like Lord Saladin can show up in game without any additional downloads.

I have to agree...It's gonna be hard, because I'm going to want to see the new content in the DLC (that obviously SHOULD have just been included in the original game), but if gamers continue to support this type of dishonesty then the industry is just going to keep getting worse. The only way I'll support the DLC is if Bungie makes an obvious and SEVERE effort to right the wrongs they made with this game.

[quote]READ: Let's get something straight. I am vying for the rights of the consumer.[/quote] The average consumer? Or the sense of entitlement consumers? [quote]This has nothing to do with your enjoyment of the game.[/quote] Wait what?? Why do we buy games then? Just to make sure everything they "alluded to" is there? [quote]The game was launched with a severe lack of content relative to what was alluded to at pre-launch.[/quote] Okay, we get it. This happens with every game, hell with every software project in general, you start out with a bunch of ideas and as you go things get trimmed. A preview of a game at E3 is not some kind of obligatory contract, you're not a stakeholder in the company, you have no say in how they make their game. [quote]Instead of either delaying the game to allow time to finish the content that has already been started or adding in the full content for free, they're charging extra and labeling it DLC.[/quote] Again, your opinion surrounding "full content" is irrelevant, this is not your game, you don't get to choose what content is available. You are not entitled to more content just because Bungie has already started working on it. [quote]If consumers continue to support this producers who put out unfulfilled games then add DLC that should've already been in the game after, this will become the norm.[/quote] Again, this is your opinion, the game is complete, just not to your fantastical standards. DLC is already the norm, especially in the form of microtransactions (see CoD). [quote]There are only negative consequences for consumers possible from this outcome.[/quote] Welcome to consumerism in the free market, we aren't socialists, we're capitalists, this is just how our economy works. [quote]Let me elaborate on the main point of this thread: helping consumers. More a more recently developers are pushing out half-assed products that need DLC to fill what they lack.[/quote] Again, this is your opinion. [quote]For example: Destiny. Pre-launch, we were promised a huge scope, excessive customizations and huge landscapes. What we actually received paled in comparison. Compared to what was alluded to pre-launch, the retail game severely lacks content.[/quote] For example?? You already made this point, see above. [quote]Now, players are find areas inside the disc game that are locked. Sure, some of them a simply polished textures, but others are nearly refined besides enemies and other variables.[/quote] The Event area in the tower used to be locked too, silly game devs, I wanted to see that area sooner! Also, do you have first hand experience building Destiny levels? How can you speculate on what it will take to make those areas playable? It's there, so it must be finished, right? [quote]Yet, the fact remains that we are not able to access the entire game without paying extra money.[/quote] Fact, or opinion? [quote]By entire game, I'm implying what was alluded to before and even after launch. Presently, we are forced to wait for purchaseable downloadable content to truly complete what was supposed to be GOTY.[/quote] Again with the same point, we got it. [quote]I don't know about you, but this is an attemp to take complete control over the consumer.[/quote] You sound like a right-wing conservative talking about Obama. The consumer is in control here, not the publisher, we choose what to buy, they don't control us. [quote]Products nowadays are becoming less and less refined than those of the past due to consumer ignorance. Consumers ignore the fact that producers are taking direct advantage over then for easy money.[/quote] This is a joke, right? Games are more polished now than they have ever been, in terms of content, in terms of visuals, in terms of networking, and in terms of socializing. I'd even go as far as saying that we're in the "Golden Age" of gaming, gaming is a billion dollar industry, so it only stands to reason that the market will be flooded with great titles and consumer expectations will be astronomically high. So what do you do when the market is flooded with solid titles? You start nit-picking on ridiculous stuff, like "this game is incomplete by my standards of complete." [quote]This is causing a loss in both quality and quantity that should be expected from a $60 AAA title.[/quote] Again, opinion, I'd happily pay more than $60 for a game like Destiny. [quote]By allowing this to continue, all consumers will ultimately suffer. When producers see no reason to put that extra time and care into their game, as a large amount of ignorant consumers will still purchase then, we will be left with half-finished games that you'll need to pay above and beyond the price of $60 to fully take advantage if what you should've had available to you at launch.[/quote] Again, opinion. When is it okay for a publisher to charge more than $60 for a game? Should all games be released at $60 regardless of content? [quote]Here, we are talking about principles. Producers should feel obligated to delivery quality content to consumers. They shouldn't be allowed to take advantage of consumers by making them pay for more than just the disc to fully enjoy what the game has to offer.[/quote] So you're saying the government should step in and do something? You think the free market is allowing publishers to control you so you want to regulate it, I guess you're not that right-wing conservative that you came off as before. Now that I've gone through your post, or rather three points that you reiterated over and over, I have to ask, why are you so upset? You do realize that even if content was removed for DLC it will still be the same formula. 1) Go somewhere and set up your Ghost. 2) Fight a few waves of enemies. 3) Go somewhere and set up your Ghost. 4) Fight boss. If this doesn't cater to you then this game is not for you and no amount of free DLC is gonna fix that.