The below is car15's post. Still nobody wants to sue them?
I have quoted this post in full from a Reddit post for the sake of posterity in case it gets taken down.
There's lots of interesting information and speculation here. The opinions expressed within are not my own; they are the opinions of Acer1096xxx, the original poster. I do not agree with everything he says, but I think the information he provides is important enough that it should be preserved and disseminated as widely as possible.
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This thread is a collection of posts and my thoughts that show how Destiny's development changed DRASTICALLY within its last year.
It is the reason why the story is lacking, the missions are repititive, and why there are grimoire cards. A lot of shady stuff went down during the end of 2013 and beginning of 2014.
Anyway, let's start off with what the Story was supposed to be like:
STORY: This reddit post from a deleted thread Here explains how Destiny's story was originally during E3 2013. Bungie.net user Diver2441 sums up all of this here:
(Key parts are BOLDED for the lazy)
So recently a Reddit thread came to light detailing what Destiny's narrative looked like in 2013, and it's very different from the ailing excuse for a story we're presented with today: the Traveler bringing the darkness, Crow, different progression through planets and even considerable cut areas. So it becomes apparent that between mid to late 2013 and launch, Bungie gutted the story. Now this is where it gets good, something else happened back in late 2013 before the story was gutted; Joe Staten, Bungie's former lead writer left. Some may think it coincidence, but I think not.
Now the Reddit thread (which has mysteriously disappeared) outlined a story sprawling across a considerably larger solar system, and including a number of characters and factions who never so much as appear in the full game. The prime example of this is Crow, the character/faction who was set out to expose the Traveler and Speaker for in fact bringing the darkness along with the Traveler, and not the Golden Age. A specific reference to Crow can be found in the above video at 1:01, where a mission would have you assist Crow in looting the Archive on venus for details on the Vex Gatelord (which is in fact a mission we end up doing in the main game, but Crow is clearly not a part of it). The Gatelord was said to contain a way to access a pre-Collapse AI construct who had the ability to expose the Traveler, and we can see this in the form of the inaccessible Bunker RAS2.
Even in the PvP, we see a reference to "faction wars" at 1:20 in the video, so it appears that justification and explanation for the different factions in the tower was cut as well.
Destiny's current half assed story starts to make a little more sense when we apply the context that the entire narrative was gutted less than a year before launch, and remade without Bungie's lead writer. Why Joe left, and why Bungie felt the need to completely gut the story of the game and cut huge areas is beyond me, but it's abundantly obvious that there's a lot more going on than meets the eye.
WHAT THE STORY WAS RE-WRITTEN INTO: Grimoire Cards. Check Edit2 for Source, but basically back in February 2014, a man was hired to write all the Grimoire Cards. This was clearly the solution to trying to incorporate as much story as possible with what little story was actually in the game. This also is most likely the reason why there is no Grimoire UI in-game, because it was far too close to release to actually incorporate such a thing.
UNUSED LOCATIONS AND FEATURES:
Continuing from Diver2441's post, he mentions:
If we look at an article from 2013 and the reveal ViDoc, it becomes very obvious that the game we have today is vastly different from what it was as little as around a year ago. For starters there are references to areas such as Old Chicago, the ghost fleet in the rings of Saturn, Charlemagne's Vault, and others that very clearly never made it into the full game, despite being fully made and playable around a year ago. Additionally, at 3:24 in the video above, we see an in game location in The Reef, and from 3:43 - 3:51 we see a pine forested area in game that never saw the light of day as well. Even in our own back yard of Old Russia in the retail games, we have locked off areas such as King's Watch, the Jovian Complex, and the Seraphim Vault, none of which are even mentioned in the retail game today.
CUT CONTENT BEING RESOLD AS DLC (POSSIBLY):
This video shows that the majority of the first two expansions of DLC is potentially already on the disc! Even in the beta, areas such as the King's Watch and Seripham Vault were accessible through glitches and yet are not available in the full game (Actually, these places aren't even mentioned in the DLC either!) More proof about these areas can be shown through the data dumps at http://db.destinytracker.com
I want to note here that this doesn't mean the content is actually finished, but the idea that it could be is annoying and makes sense given the amount of content that had already been cut.
ANOTHER COINCIDENCE: Along with Bungie's Lead Writer departing for unknown reasons, we can't forget about Marty O'Donnell being fired too. We're all aware that the situation had to do with salary, but when Marty left, there was a clear bitterness between him and Bungie. Bungie had changed, and the lead writer had recognized it too. Was it Activision? Probably. But we're not being told the full story and I don't expect us to find out unfortunately.
WHAT BUNGIE MUST DO: There are a variety of options Bungie can do to fix these problems.
1. GIVE US THE HELD-BACK CONTENT FOR FREE: Unfortunately, this isn't very likely given Activision's greed and contracts already settled in to sell this content later. Some could also argue that it's a good thing this content is being held-back so that the game will stay alive for much longer, although I personally disagree given the lack of content available at launch.
2. GIVE US JUST THE STORY MISSIONS FOR FREE: This is a bit more reasonable and would solve the overall complaint with Destiny. We know there is a story being held back greatly, and they we should not let them sell this to us as DLC.
3. GIVE US A SCHEDULE AND COMMUNICATE BETTER: This is my final plea to Bungie. The game is already out; we don't need to be left in the dark anymore. They need to tell us when content is being released and what we can expect so that we can voice our opinions better and prevent them from making more mistakes.
THOUGHTS? I know this thread is extremely long in details, but I think it needs to be seen. The Destiny today is not the Destiny we were promised or the one Bungie had even imagined. Locations, ship customization, a real story, and other deleted content were all things planned/created before last year and are all gone now. Something must be done.
(I will continue to edit this post as more info comes along).
EDIT1: Source to Diver2441's post: http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/70651356/0/0
EDIT2: More details about the Grimoire cards and the fact that all of this "cutting out content" was very recent.
Posted by Reddit user /u/mrdabu:
...Moreover, basic game elements were removed - in the developer commentary for the gameplay reveal the bungie developer (Mike Zak, environment artist) says that the hunter could have gained his weapons and armor through trade with other players or a kind of gambling (8:12). this is not implemented in the release version. The video was released on july 8, 2013 on youtube. So the decision to cut these features out was made in the last year of a more than 5 year development period which is very uncommon.
Perhaps the story is so lame and such a mystery because of all the changes during the last year.
Then he talks about the grimoire cards which contain the story. in the forum of destiny.bungie.org a guy called general battuta says that the grimoire story was „mostly written and edited in one crazy spiny very close to launch“. (sept 14, 2014) On feb 13, 2014, he posted a thread in which he shared his excitement of being hired as a writer for bungie in seattle. this was 7 months before release.
EDIT3: Reddit user /u/PopeOwned gives a little bit more info about Bungie's Lead Writer, Joe Staten, leaving: http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2hk88o/spoiler_redditor_provides_insight_as_to_why/ckthwqk
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That's the end of the Reddit post.
EDIT from car15: This is the expansion content.
THE DARK BELOW
Old Russia: The Veil Lifted (Level 18 Story)
Old Russia: The Seeding (Level 18 Story)
Ocean of Storms: The Wakening (Level 20 Story)
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Old Russia: The Jovian Complex (Level 10 Strike)
Meridian Bay: The Hypogeum (Level 20 Strike)
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Ocean of Storms: Crota's End (Level 28 Raid)
HOUSE OF WOLVES
Old Russia: Gone to Ground (Level 20 Story)
Ishtar Sink: Wolves' Harvest (Level 20 Story)
Ishtar Sink: The Citadel (Level 22 Story)
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Ocean of Storms: Expansion 2 Moon Strike (Level 14 Strike)
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The Reef: Reef Raid (Level 28 Raid)
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#Destiny
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1 AntwortenYes, because they listen to you alone. They're fixing things which not even the playtesters were dicky enough to discover (LC) They're tweaking things which in the later view could be changed slightly (Cryptarch) They're removing things which they forgot to remove (Queens Legends)
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6 AntwortenYeah.... no. All of their claims were the opinions of those making the claims. They were not misleading facts. It's massive - opinion I love the way you feel when you get loot - opinion I forget the other shit but I'm sure it was opinions.
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3 AntwortenBtw. As someone that worked in the legal field ( no I'm not a lawyer ex-military police and later law office manager) IF you actually are pursuing legal action? You are violating things already. You should have NO contact whatso ever once legal action starts In other words? You wouldn't write the letter. The lawyer would Epic fail
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I congratulate everyone who voiced their opinion on the matter. That is the ultimate point in all of this and now we have evidence of Bungie listening to the player base. If you think they didn't then you can't read. If you think they should have kept the cave you're views and hopes of this game were too low. Let's be truthful with ourselves - the hight of this game shouldn't ever have been so idiotic.
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3 AntwortenThey haven't released all the content for the game you stupid moron like really you want to complain about a game go sue cod it's ignorant people like you that makes me hate the world also those trailers are what are called cinematic trailers meaning are you ready? ITS NOT IN GAME CONTENT! Go learn some stuff.
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1 AntwortenI bet your just pissed cause you have lucky raspberry.
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1 AntwortenGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
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4 AntwortenThis is possibly the dumbest crap that's been going around these days. "Im going to sue a company for a hefty price because I don't like the game!" Just return it and raise a stink there.
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2 AntwortenWho's your lawyer? Jackie Chiles?
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3 AntwortenActivision: "No reasonable consumer would have believe our claims. Therefore any claim we make as part of our product would not be believed if the consumer was reasonable and not negligent in their buying practices." Judge: "There is a precedence for this line of argument. Does the plaintiff have a settlement agreement with the defendant." Wade Wilson's lawyer: "We do your honor." Judge: "I hearby resolve the case under the guidelines and terms entered into the settlement agreement." Wade Wilson's lawyer and Activision: "WOOHOO!" Wade Wilson: "What do we get out of the settlement?" Wade Wilson's Lawyer: "You get to never talk about this subject again or you will have to pay back the settlement and Activision can say whatever they want about the events referred to in the case and the case itself. Now if you will excuse me, I need to take my new retirement fund and snort some cocaine from a Russian models cleavage in the Cayman Islands."
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von R4Z13L: 9/25/2014 5:18:32 PMI honestly hope Bungie and Activision listen to your case and reply soon. I really love this, game, but it doesn't make me a fanboy. I just want what the 99.99% of the gamers want with Destiny and that is a content filled game, not a chopped off one and we all know it to be true but don't want to admit it. The matter of the fact is that is sad to think that although it has repetitive missions on the same places of the map with no new story or mission design we still can't stop playing it. But my wishes go the other way in which I would love even more to be able to explore beyond the places it has invisible walls or the turn back countdown. That the Tower should be open on all its places and not just the square behind the Bounty Tracker or whatever his name is. That the Last City although is an amazing skybox and is still that and not an explorable area which it should be for a game of this magnitude. I understand the story completely or actually the lack thereof and it would be amazing if real new future content wouldn't be of the type we have to pay to enjoy, when we haven't really seen new content. For example I got frustrated with the Queen's missions, they are the same story missions we all did at the beginning but with a higher difficulty. I don't bash the reward that gives though but still it can't be that we endure those same missions just to have more gear and it's not fair to all gamers who believe in Destiny. Whatever the undisclosed reason Bungie has for not doing it (Activision) it has to put their men jeans and fight that pressure to get those contents in a none paid dlc or expansions. I would join in on the letter of petition if you want but I don't think Bungie has most of the fault in this so I don't think a lawsuit against them would be recommended. Edit PS: Destiny has so much to give that is kinda disheartening to think this will the whole game. I stopped playing CoD when MW3 came out and I hate its repetitive Gameplay and boring story. For those who think I hate the game, let me explain a little something. That is why I had, or may be still have faith in Destiny and that is why I still play it and that is why I bought it in the first place.
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1 AntwortenYou need a new lawyer . . . any lawyer who would accept this case is clearly looking to take your money during the process. You will never win it. Shoot . . . I'd actually testify on behalf of Bungie. Before the beta, I was very doubtful about what they'd deliver . . . I've gotten way more out of this game than I expected to.
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2 AntwortenI'm convince your that guy who sued Mr. Incredible
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Yay http://www.bungie.net/7_Destiny-Dev-Notes/en/News/News?aid=12188
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4 Antwortennobody who's is trying to "sue" activision/bungie will get anywhere, they did not force you to buy their game that, and of course all the shit in the beta is not in the full version...... it's a beta you dumb ass.... it has to be tested before it's added the to main game, but the majority of these kids crying about an "incomplete" game are all a -blam!-ing joke, cry to someone who cares. .. maybe your mother?
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2 AntwortenDid the cave farmers piss you off?
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3 AntwortenDid this dude taste banhanmer or what?
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11 AntwortenBearbeitet von NotSoLoneWolf: 9/25/2014 6:49:31 PM*says he will be taking legal action* *i check your profile* *72 hours of enjoyment played* Facepalm
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von Doc SoCal: 9/25/2014 4:02:35 PM[quote]EDIT: My lawyer said before I did anything I would have to write a strongly worded letter to Activision/Bungie and if they didn't get back to me in 14 days to file a complaint to the BBB (https://www.bbb.org/consumer-complaints/file-a-complaint/get-started) and only after those steps are taken can he take the case.[/quote] #blownoffbyalawyer #getthehint #lol
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2 Antworten"This game sucks I want a lawyer" my god just -blam!-ing return the game if you don't like it.
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10 AntwortenBearbeitet von Cobalt: 9/25/2014 4:03:23 PMDude. If you and other people succeed at ruining this game, SCREW YOU. That's not cool. I'm having great fun and you can just go away. Seriously I don't even have words for how I feel right now.
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8 AntwortenIt's a video game, if this is so important that you feel you have to take such action over a few dollars then you seriously need to reevaluate your life. Games are entertainment, and for so many people to cry, whine and act like spoiled little children because it's not exactly what they want is pathetic. Should I sue every time I go to the movies and the film doesn't live up to my expectations? Or how about if I order a meal at a restaurant and it's not as good as they say? Get over it.......
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7 AntwortenLol I really hope your kidding. It's a 60 dollar game grow up and return it if it bothers you that much. It's butthurt people like you that ruin good games and give forums a bad rap.
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I normally don't post on gaming forums anymore due to the infestation of delusional dickheads but this shit has to stop. I don't want to have to constantly trawl through pages of clunky analogies, open letters, or empty threats just to find a fireteam. "Going to start a civil lawsuit against Activision and Bungie for false advertising and a bait and switch." No you're not mate. Grow the -blam!- up.
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Bearbeitet von Siirvend: 9/25/2014 4:50:20 PMThis is all very silly, very silly indeed.
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Wow.... I can't believe this guy has convinced himself this will work. I bet you 10,000 glimmer he still plays after all this