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Bearbeitet von Holla00027:
8/3/2014 7:27:18 PM
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Bungie your lack of RPG knowledge is showing.
First and foremost doing things differently sometimes can cause panic at first then really turn out to be great, or you can just look really dumb and not know what your doing. This is what i see whats going on with Bungie's Destiny right now. I've came from Playstation (never owned a Halo game but or played it) and on playstation you have to admit whether is the PS 1,2, or 3 is the king of RPG's. Im not sure if Japan invented RPG's but they constantly take it to another level almost unmatched by anyone. Don't get me wrong Blizzard is in the Top 3 for RPG's in the world but I'm strictly talking about consoles here. So as I stated before Playstation is RPG heaven and no other consoles come close so i feel like an RPG veteran and i see alot of dumb decision making on Bungies behalf.
1. Fire team size is ridiculously low, this is next gen 3 was cool back in PS1 and PS2 days but we are way past that. And no the 3 Class argument does not apply here, there are not 3 classes there are 3 guardians and there are 9 classes/sub classes. This in itself is very confusing, so a class is a hunter and the sub-class is gunslinger???? So whats a guardian or is the Hunter the class and the guardian??? Either way this is not a good layout in my humble opinion, but back to the fire team 3 is just too low and 4 is industry standard for a co-op experience. Now the raids i like, but 6 being the max with other MMO's being 8 is not cool, the more the marrier.
2. No match making in Raids, WHY???? Did you not have enough time to implemented it or were you trying to be different? Don't you guys understand that some people have jobs and lives and sometimes its hard 2 get a 6 man team. Do you want us to jump in the tower and randomly start inviting people to our fire team and hope they would join??
3. D PAD being used up only for emotes?? Who thought of this??? There should be one button on the d pad that gives your options for a multitude of emotes not just 4, and the rest of the D pad buttons should be used on useful actions such as summoning your sparrow, or going to orbit, or anything else. You know im right, now i did not say eliminate the emotes just change it to one button with a drop down menu with a bunch of choices.
4.Getting booted out of a mission once its complete. I want to leave the mission when i want to not get a timer when its complete, and i would love to hold down one of the D pad buttons to go straight to orbit.
5. Friendly Fire teams should be able to switch to the same Phase. It's bad enough I have to leave out a friend to do a strike and story mission but why on explore? That makes no sense, Bungie put some damn sense back into your game.
6.PVP gear should not be usable in PVE, you should do a better job of separating the 2. I know lots of players that can't stand PVP and want no part of it but Destiny has a very heavy focus on PVP. So PVP gear should not work in PVE and vice versa. I don't mind PVP but im going to spend 80% of my time in PVE, and you guessed it 20% in PVP.
Those are a few changes in my opinion that would make Destiny a better game if you agree or disagree please do it in a orderly fashion.
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3 AntwortenI really hated this post. OP wasted 20 min of his life typing this all out.
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1 Antworten[quote D PAD being used up only for emotes?? Who thought of this??? There should be one button on the d pad that gives your options for a multitude of emotes not just 4, and the rest of the D pad buttons should be used on useful actions such as summoning your sparrow, or going to orbit, or anything else. You know im right, now i did not say eliminate the emotes just change it to one button with a drop down menu with a bunch of choices. [/quote] your only valid logical point. everything else makes u sounds like a child.
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Im actually quite fine with 3 ppl its pretty easy to do instead of with like 10 people all over the place
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5 Antwortenplease explain why 3 ppl is low for strikes and 6 are low for raids. why is four the industry standard? maybe those are just what worked best for gameplay. sure it's an odd number, but it could be what's best for the games encounters. I agree on the d pad options. MM for raids is up in the air for me. if they add a LFG or text/proxy chat feature then there won't be any problems. if they don't, MM should be an option. I know I won't have any probs getting groups with my friends, but not every player has the same options as myself. pvp and pve gear should be separate. just like in WoW, the ratings were much different in combat for what they meant. I feel like there could be gear that could be used for both, but keep it limited. overall, no one will be happy with everything. I hope they learned as much as they're saying they did from the beta to enhance their consumers experience.
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I'm going to help you here and correct you on the first rpg. It's called dungeons and dragons and I highly recommend playing it before saying you know what an rpg is. Because my friend, you haven't experience true rpg freedom until you literally have 100 percent control over what your character does. As for your points I'll hit them in the order you stated... 1. A fire team being 3 people I think works out pretty well. Do I wish I could get all 8 of my friends in the same instance just so we can grape face? Of course!!! Who wouldnt? But from a tactical and game play point I understand 3 per team and am ok to play within these boundaries... makes it more fun. 2. I don't quite understand your idea of what match making is that would lead you to believe what's in place for strikes is insufficient. We're you expecting the ability to put LFG over your head and try to hand pick your team so you had only warlocks or one of each class? How boring... i like how they have it set up where if your solo you can link up with 2 other random people and fight together. Hell you might make a new friend or three too if you wanted. Besides... yes RL sucks and people can't play at the same time as you sometimes, but don't expect a game company to cater to your schedule or your wants just because you want it to be more convenient for you. How's about you and your friends set a weekend aside to frag it up together? 3. I see no issue with the current dad use. Currently sparrow summoning is pressing select and holding square (if my memory is serving me right). Are you that control inept that you need to take one of those steps out to do that? As it is now you can summon it on the run, or leave to orbit it 2 clicks. Now I'd like to see the emotes customizable with different ones... but I see no need for more than 4 at a time. After all the name of the game is pew pew with space guns and magic... not dance your foes to death (though I have danced on top of a walkers burnt chassis while still being shot at by fallen XD) 4. A private instance just for you to go kill stuff. Imagine the headache if someone could idle there taking up server capacity doing nothing? Or maybe lots of people doing that and really throwing a wrench in things. No I kinda like the timer. Since loading a mission also loads certain triggers as well going to exploring without a loading screen is problematic code wise and in the end more work than its worth when once again to leave to orbit from a mission... all you need to do is press select and hold triangle... it's that simple. I know... I've done it. 5. Finally a point I can kinda agree with. If I've got a group of friends I'd like to be able at least on free roam to link up to the same instance. Sure!, limit it to 2 fire teams or 3 but I'd like the chance for more than 2 of my friends to explore with me. 6. ... ... ... i have no idea where this is coming from. You have crucible which is gear and level balanced to an extent to keep things as close to an even keel as possible. Then you have iron banner to really let your gear and levels shine and wipe the floor with your enemies faces as best you can. So why again do we need two sets of gear?... i understand if you prefer an auto rifle in PVP and scout rifle in PVE and the appropriate gear to support your weapon choices like I do, but this idea to me seems pointless and a waste of time. And idk where you got the idea that destiny was built around PVP from, after playing the game I'd say it leans very heavily towards PVE if anything and even then I'd still say it's pretty even between the two. So in closing or tl;dr... go edumacate yourself a little bit more on RPG's, go realize this is not a FPS, RPG, MMO, social game as it is attempting to take elements of all genres that fit the style Bungie is going for in a game and melding them together into a platform that will carry on for years and be fun to pick up and play with friends. Most your ideas probably came from wow and I'd hate to see that happen to this game regardless of how superior I know the pc master race is... i can only hope valve takes notes off this game for hl3 confirmed.... XD ... God my attempts at jokes are pathetic lol.
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1. I partially agree here. It would've been nice for 3 to be a soft limit and 6 to be a hard limit. I have 2 brothers and one of their RL best friends... We always co-op together but are running into some significant logistics issues. But we'll get through it. 2. So long as 6 isn't a requirement to start the raid, I don't care about this one. With the way strikes work, I don't believe it will be and kind of prefer this. I recently played ME3 MP again and it reminded me of how much I despise randoms. I'd rather send some invites based on strike/crucible performance or go in short 1 or 2 people. 3. D-pad should be contextual or configurable eventually, but I can live without it for now. All MP games are voice enabled to some degree and I would really prefer any extra D-pad options to be combat related (waypoints/focused fire) but I can not be lazy and call it out audibly. 4. This just seems like you're nitpicking (and REALLY hate the D-pad integration). 5. Agree, if #1 can't or won't be implemented, then explore should allow up to 6 no matter what. 6. My only concern with the PVE/PVP equipment crossover is balancing changes made solely for PVP in an interest of fairness will have pointless and fun-killing effects in PVE. With how spoiled/entitled/unrealistic many gamers can be (the types that seem like their patents raised them to believe everything is and should be fair/equal) I fear this eventuality more than anything else in this list.
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3 Antworten1.) they did 3 because it provides balance. more than that per team and they found you just breeze through the game. no fun. also bungie has not confirmed if there are actually nine subclasses, so for now we should stick to the 6 assumption. even though nine does make sense. 2.)Because matchmaking ruins raids on computers, where raids are from. therefore, bungie wanting to keep the challenge, said no matchmaking. if you want to bitch about this, there are plenty of threads about it. please dont make us look at more of them. 3.) I agree this would be nice. have left on the d pad pull up your sparrow, right pull up an emote bar like in dark souls, up takes you to orbit, and have down be a friggin map! 4.) eh didnt bother me that much. the only one i didnt like this on was the one where i knew the golden chest was in hte room after the boss. felt like a panic trying to get the dang chest. Still, its not my favorite system and I wouldnt be upset if they changed it. or kept it. either way. 5.) i agree. if you are exploring friends list players and clan mates should recieve priority for your phasing groups. It just makes sense. that way you can at least enjoy trucking around in explore with a large group of friends. and can do public events better. another option would be to make explore have a six man fire team like raids and pvp. 6.) This isnt an rpg. its not an mmo. Its a shooter. a shared world shooter. which means yes, while it has some aspects of mmos. and rpgs. it is still first and foremost. a shooter. and shooter players love their pvp. and hate being told what to do with their rewards from shooting one another. If you want the same pvp rewards bungie has a way for you to get it. how? special class items that make the rep bonuses gained apply to a pvp rep group instead of the vanguard or whatever it was you were doing. i think its fine, i personally dont pvp all that much because ive done it too much. but the rewards for it being useful in pve? i think thats brilliant. it was one of my biggest complaints about WoW, the whole "well thats pvp gear" thing.
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Firstly, bungie isn't known to make RPGs, they mostly Do fps shooters. If you are hurting about the lack of Rpg elements in the game, then go play an RPG. Bungie has tried to fuse the concepts of RPG into a shooter and hence it should be taken as such. While I think you have some valid points here, you have to see this in a wider scope, there has been games that tried to do this in the past and Destiny just improves upon this. Lastly, it's all well and good providing your views, and I think it would be better if you provided constructive criticism rather than a rant.
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1 AntwortenI half agree with some points.
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2 AntwortenBearbeitet von ABeardedViking: 8/3/2014 12:22:21 PMNot sure why your Topic is about lacking RPG knowledge as most of your points don't really have anything to do with RPG'S .But to your points 1:The Fire team size being 3 has more to do with trying to have a more intimate and personalized experienced. I have played games like BL2 where their are 4 players or Defiance and there are 1000 of players and I am being pulled from one place to the next or one person goes one way, another person goes another and I am being dragged all over the place its not a fun experience 2: No match making raid? My gaming time is valuable to me as well and it might be hard for me to get some friends together. But nothing is going to be worst then setting some time aside to do a raid. Jump into a raid match making game and have people start quitting during the game. That will be a waste of my time and not fun experience 3: I agree with you on this one 4: I agree with you on this one and said this during the alpha as well. I would love to explore and area after a mission to see if I missed anything before going back to orbit 5: Same thing as number 1.More intimate and personal experience. Nothing worst then being lead around areas by other people. 6: By allowing PVP gear in PVE and PVE gear in PVP. It allows for people to play other modes that they might normally not play. I will use my brother for this example. He is just like you, plays 80 to 90% of his time in PVE. But during the beta he played a lot more of the crucible. Because he was able to go into PVP and get reward with loot.And then take that loot into PVE.
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1 AntwortenAs people have said already you appear to be more of an MMORPG veteran than classic RPG, and it is for everything that you have said that Bungie has taken the stance of Destiny not being an MMO. For your point on PVP gear i don't quiet get where you are coming from, i for one would rather not be forced to have two different armor collections I had the same thoghts about the emotes, but i suppose Bungie didn't think of anything important enough to allocate to the d-pad
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Again, its to reward the skilled and dedicated. If you dont have tome, thats your problem.
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5 AntwortenAnd you my friend are very stupid. PvP is not heavily focused on. And if you dont like gear stats being in pvp, get good then. Oh and if you were smart, your gears defense and weapons dmg are balanced in pvp. A guy with a 40 dmg weapon will do the same as a guy with 400 dmg. The only thing that counts are weapons abilities and armors.
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2 AntwortenYour just an idiot.
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1 AntwortenThe PVP gear was "earned" by those that survived the crucible. In my opinion they may use the gear as they please.
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4 AntwortenHey OP, your desire to have new things conform to older formulas is showing.
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Bearbeitet von ZeroTheNine: 8/3/2014 12:21:14 PMI disagree about dividing PvP and PvE armor as thats your opinion and not everyone shares that. Thats what I hated about DCUO and WOW as armor should be played in both modes of PvE and PvP as they are both lucrative in the game. Also, I can go straight to PvP when I am done with PvE not having to worry so much in differences in armor based on what mode I play. I earned that armor and thats all that matters. I think its silly, minor and a waste of devs time to divide armors up like that as it can increase playability in both PvP and PvE. There are other areas of a game that should be focused not dividing armor. I hope Bungie keep the armor the way it is and if a person chose not to fight in PvP/PvE then thats their choice but don't mess with the armor cause of it and divide it up as such when there really is no need besides a preference.
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ITS NOT AN RPG
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Technically, the three are classes. No different then an MMO with a Fighter, Wizard, or Cleric. They are still "classes".
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5 Antwortenbecause if you get stupid so can I. Think you already accomplished that one.
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I see this as more of a list of already forum topic complaints rather than compare it to the so called rpg playstation king. Yes I own many jrpgs from my playstation universe, and played many games where I was only allowed 3 people. Some jrpgs only had 2 people.
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1 AntwortenPlus, I personally like E-motes. It's always fun whenever you're exhausted from missions, yet still want to talk to your fireteam. A dance party never hurt anyone.
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1 AntwortenBungie has stated multiple times that Destiny isn't really a FPS, nor an RPG. So, critiquing it as just an RPG is unfair.
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4 AntwortenBearbeitet von xEPCx: 8/3/2014 11:04:25 AM1. Though the size of the team is lower than most games, it's much eassier to coordinate a team of 3 rather than 6 and given the small team size the team HAS to coordinate to overcome the obstacles within the game AS A TEAM instead of there being wildcard additional members who may or may not be able to "carry" the others. 2.Because this is much more risky in open matchmaking. They probably thought: "Hey we're probably going to get flooded with the usual "This player was away for xxx amount of time during my raid could you xxxx this person PLEASE!!" In this case it makes a LOT of sense that you have to do these time consuming raids with people you trust will be there or at least warn you before they take a break and know are capable of even carrying their own weight before bogging down the others. They probably don't want your experience ruined by a wild card member coming in and having to go out to tend to something midway your so-so hour long raid. 3. Allowing D-pad functions for sparrow and other shortcuts like that would make the Guardians even more harder to kill in both PVP/E... The emotes are fine and you even have the directional emotes while riding the sparrow (Not sure of other vehicles) Quickening that function and not allowing any sort of limitation such as a need for some cover while the summoning, is a luxury. Not at all necessary. 4. Again a luxury and one easily overlooked. You're taking part in a mission not a field trip, soldier. 5. (ಠ_ಠ) So then stick with your friends. I'm sure your friends have friends too... ( I.. don't even know on this one.. to me, it's a minor thing but I enjoy being the one running in between people who are teams on my own and doing my own thing.. Most of the time anyway.) Maybe this could be fixed somehow like there being servers for this so the same people play together all the time.. 6. It would be awkward though what you're saying makes sense but PVP is a challenge a lot of players enjoy and limiting them to only that would be kind of mean. Everyone should be able to enjoy both ends of the game I would think. What is the problem with the PVP gear anyway? Not like they are the ultimate endgame pieces or anything. Hmm.. Hope I wasn't harsh in my responses. Not gonna punch this topic. (ಠ_ಠ)
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3 AntwortenHow many of those Japanese RPG's are persistent online FPS games too? Only point I agree with is wasting the DPad on emotes. They could easily make one dpad button an "emote toggle". So lets say the button is Dpad right, when you are pushing every other button is linked to an emote. So all emotes would be DPAD L+ R2, DPAD L+L2, DPAD L + X, and so on. That gives them 3 more buttons for important stuff and more emotes they can bind to the controller. Use the other 3 DPAD buttons you know have for 1. A MAP and other 2 for Macros (like I would like the ability to auto equip gear sets and bind them to a key (think FF14 sort of).
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4 AntwortenBearbeitet von eeTee33: 8/3/2014 10:37:08 AMfirst when i was you i would explain what RPG stands for. (in you opinion, games change, description changes) for me Destiny stands clearly not for RPG, it is FPS with the main factor on advancing with a little story as it looks for continuing the game. RPG main core is the story (and ofcourse there are more points for a RPG) they have classes in Destiny but the way they are being used have nothing to do with RPG 1) the size of a fireteam should be dependend on the size of the map for a strike or raid i dont see 10 guardians in the devilslair strike map. 2) search the topics and you will find enough solutions for it for both sites 3) i agree, one button should be fine which shows then a submenu with more emotes, dancing styles etc. one button for commands (follow me and more), one button for raid functions (markng bosses i which order to attack) so in general one button for a function which shows then a submenu. 4) smaller timer, when you dont leave the area you go to Orbit, when you leave the area (for free eploring) you dont go to Orbit. Leave a choice to the player when this is possible. 5) agree 6) there should indeed be more diffenrence between this two
