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12/5/2022 8:13:50 PM
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Combination of inflation and shareholders wanting increasing returns on their investment.
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[quote]Combination of inflation and shareholders wanting increasing returns on their investment.[/quote] They will get that regardless increasing the price of a product like that wont do much. Bungie pays a dividend and investors get portions of that dividend based on the % of stock they own. Shareholders would care more about eververse which is a more steady stream of income than a one time preorder.
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Bearbeitet von SolarCerberuS: 12/5/2022 11:15:39 PMEmployees, executives are also shareholders so any avenue to maximise profits they will take, they would expect an increase on profit every year most (if not all) successful businesses are the same. Eververse is more than likely used to fund seasonal content and fund the live team with whats leftover lining Bungie executives pockets, or to be more exact a % of ecerverse takings would go to execs and whats leftbover funds the live team and seasonal model.
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[quote]Employees, executives are also shareholders so any avenue to maximise profits they will take, they would expect an increase on profit every year most (if not all) successful businesses are the same. Eververse is more than likely used to fund seasonal content and fund the live team with whats leftover lining Bungie executives pockets, or to be more exact a % of ecerverse takings would go to execs and whats leftbover funds the live team and seasonal model.[/quote] Not all employees are shareholders, they can be given shares but inherently are not shareholders. Also executives are literally shareholders by definition. Also dude you organized this so poorly it just sounds like you looked it up or have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Companies cant always take the “best route” they have to abide by laws and regulations. Charging a high price for Lightfall isn’t a way of maximizing revenue. IF ANYTHING a cheaper buy in price to hook players for longer could be a viable method to produce money by getting more players in the game (since they bought a dlc they might as well play it and if they are playing they have a chance to buy cosmetics) I could elaborate more on that but its just a idea and probably wouldn’t be use since its not something Bungie has ever tested
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Bearbeitet von SolarCerberuS: 12/6/2022 4:50:42 AMActually no I am just a shareholder in one of the biggest companies in my country. I would be very surprised if any of Bungies full time employees are not shareholders, unless restricted by the company executives themselves which would likely be highly illegal to do so. But of course I do not know 100% if all employees would be shareholder but regardless all employees have an interest in the companies performance whether it be through KPIs or salary incentives. End of the day all employees would want the company to succeed financially. There will be enough players still buying lightfall for them not to be overly concerned about the cancellations, they can merely make it up with more eververse offerings.
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Dude idc if you are a shareholder at a company, i just stated that not all employees are shadeholders its not something companies are too keen at giving out. Why would you even be surprised if they weren’t giving out shares? It’s something that doesn’t happen as often as you think, and your comment about employees wanting companies to thrive is random because of course they wanna keep their job whats the point of saying something so obvious. Also your comment about lightfall is kinda dismissive of the fact that if it was cheaper it would guarantee more players playing the game because people will have spent money on it and have a sunk cost to play the game, which gives them a higher chance to spend money in eververse.
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Bearbeitet von SolarCerberuS: 12/6/2022 4:49:17 AMAnd I said Id be surprised if Bungie employees are not shareholders most half decent large successful companies have employee share plans. Smaller ones fair enough but I wouldnt even consider working for a company as big and successful as Bungie unless it was part of the terms of employment. As for being cheaper sure it likely would draw more players, but their finance team have already done the reasearch as to reasonable and profitable pricing then yes obviously a bit of cream is likely added on top to pad the wallets of the higher ups thats just business, if sales falter below their profit margin then and only then prices might be adjusted but until they are not profitable dont expect them to.
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[quote]And I said Id be surprised if Bungie employees are not shareholders most half decent large successful companies have employee share plans. Smaller ones fair enough but I wouldnt even consider working for a company as big and successful as Bungie unless it was part of the terms of employment. As for being cheaper sure it likely would draw more players, but their finance team have already done the reasearch as to reasonable and profitable pricing then yes obviously a bit of cream is likely added on top to pad the wallets of the higher ups thats just business, if sales falter below their profit margin then and only then prices might be adjusted but until they are not profitable dont expect them to.[/quote] About 6.5k companies offer plans, now keep in mind this also isnt all employees being offered some are counted if they only offer high up employees. Bungie isn’t a big company, and it has most of its shares owned by its employees. While you may think it is its not, its one studio. Also its finance team determine investments, i would literally know that as a financial major. The board would decide things like this not the financial department. Also their profit margin? Thats a arbitrary number decided by the company when it comes to digital products. Honestly dude i dont care anymore this is all stuff you can easily find online and i spent researching before responding to you. I got the time and was bored and thought why the hell not
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So we agree employees are actual shareholders gotcha, thats what I said all along so Im glad your research educated you props. Oh and my wife is a very successful Business Manager and both CEO and CFO of her own business so Ill stick with her knowledge not a mere finance Majors👍
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What? Bungie is a small company still, yes they make alot of money but maintain one studio. You were wrong it’s usually smaller companies that offer employees shares in complaints to encourage them to join. Also it makes no sense that your wife is the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer in a business considering both need to be different people to ensure no fraud is happening. Honestly dude you could have fooled anyone other then someone who actually knows what they are talking about. The argument was about how you claim most companies have these plans when its just not true, alot abandon these plans and buy back the stock from employees.
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Bearbeitet von SolarCerberuS: 12/6/2022 6:13:50 PMUh huh, well the larger companies here offer the share reward plans, smaller ones rarely do most likely due to those shares not being worth enough to be a draw card. And my wife runs and owns her own business so fraud isnt an issue and the reason she does both is due to it currently not be justifiable to have 2 people do the jobs one can with her experience and training, however once expanded she most likely will hire for the CFO position but there is no need currently and would just be an additional wage to pay to have the same work done that she already does herself which wouldn't be smart financially.
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“Fraud isnt a issue” wow your wife must be the exception to every law companies must follow XD. Also smaller companies offer shares to their employees because they exactly cost very little. Its to encourage the employee to work there for those shares, it costs a little and you can promise them that with time those shares will grow in price. A big company will not want to offer shares to employees because when you issue more shares out it lowers the EPS for the shares in general and makes them less desirable. My man stop talking you are massively embarrassing yourself right now
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Bearbeitet von SolarCerberuS: 12/6/2022 6:22:17 PMObviously different laws in your country Im expecting here privately owned businesses can be without issues. And dont worry not embarassed, I have many years of actual experience which outweighs those without 👍
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[quote]Obviously different laws in your country Im expecting here privately owned businesses can be without issues. And dont worry not embarassed, I have many years of actual experience which outweighs those without 👍[/quote] Bruh, you CANT mix the jobs its as simple as that. As well your years of experience kinda show that they meant nothing
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🤷♂️plenty of owner operators do here, regardless she runs a successful business and I work for one of the biggest and oldest so Ill stick with what works. You do you and just stick with whatever you think.
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Bearbeitet von BegFourMercy: 12/5/2022 8:28:00 PM[quote]Combination of inflation and shareholders wanting increasing returns on their investment.[/quote] Sony should not have overpaid for Bungie then. They just lost many customers on a product that has not evolved in a way to ask for the ridiculous pricing. It's the same thing over and over, pay more for less and take away paid content. Seasons have to go, let alone charging for dungeons. These prices make COD look like a good value.
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Bearbeitet von SolarCerberuS: 12/5/2022 11:20:30 PMSony merely wanted the rights to any anime/film associated with the IP, I honestly dont think they give a rats about D2, maybe Bungies future games. And if the Seasons go the game will truly die, theres barebones effort now so I can only imagine how bland it would become with merely one expansion a year then a massive content drought.
