you can drop relic and pick up later.

Doesn't everyone here have a ghallahorn? Everyone here should have the capacity to solo nuke their own champions.

IMO it isn't hard enough , if streamers are not raging at Bungie like NIOBE Labs , then it needed to be harder

It really isn't that bad with proper coordination. I ran it with two different teams over the past couple days. As long as people aren't trying to speedrun each area, it is fine. Here are some tips: 1. Everyone needs to have Overload and Unstoppable on, and that means EVERYONE. No one should be making any excuses for why they can't stun a Champion. While Overload Grenade is great, I would still recommend 2 weapons that can stun champions on demand. Believe it or not, using a Glaive for Unstoppables is actually pretty good that can deal some pretty good damage as well (using the energy attack, not melee). 2. Everyone needs to have Void and Solar on, and that means EVERYONE. There is zero excuse for why shielded adds are left alive. I was using a Solar Glaive and a Void Warlock and prioritizing my abilities to take out Shields. And for my heavy I was using... 3. Gjallarhorn is king. It completely wipes out waves of adds and it a top tier option for this encounter. Use heavy ammo always and try to finish Champions with Lucent Finisher for more heavy. If you don't have a relic in the 3rd room and are picking up in the 4th room, expect to have ZERO heavy ammo by the time you finish the room. If you don't have a relic in the 4th room, spray Gjallarhorn. 4. Void Warlock is OP and use as many as you can. Vortex Grenades can take out mobs of adds and Nova works well to destroy a side of adds. My first time through, we had 4 Void Warlocks and it significantly helped. I also saw some success with Stasis, but just be careful not to use Stasis on Champions as it messes with them being stunned. 5. Have designated roles, designated sides, and don't deviate, ever. You want to ensure that at all times, there are at least 2 people on each side, there is ZERO excuse for someone being on a side alone. A very easy strat is to have both Nut relic players take one side and everyone else take the other side, that way, when the VOG and Taken relics need to swap back and forth, it leaves 2 players consistently on each side. And when I say don't deviate, don't deviate. "But they need help and I want to help." No. That is not your job. More likely than not, you swapping your role means you are leaving someone to solo a side which will most likely end in a wipe. Everyone needs to get comfortable doing their own role, which means consistently having everyone take on a single role. 6. You can drop the Nut relic, just keep an eye on the timer. Especially after the first Knight is killed, you can drop the relic and help kill adds on your side with weapons and abilities given that the timer jumps to about 45 seconds. Just be sure to go back and get the relic to kill the second Knight before the time ends. 7. Slow down and kill everything as a team. Everything hurts in this encounter and all adds need to be killed (with very few exceptions). Don't run past groups of adds because they will just follow you and eventually kill you. Don't leave snipers up because they will inevitably wipe your team. You don't need to act like a speedrunner, there is plenty of time to kill everything. 8. Find people that are experienced and high Light Level. Not being elitist, just being practical. This is a Master Raid, not the time to carry people through encounters. Do you need people with 100+ clears, no, but you need people that know all roles, know where adds spawn, and have a complete understanding of how the encounter works. Don't know where the Taken Blights spawn? Unacceptable. Don't know where Champions spawn? Unacceptable. Don't know the timing for cleansing both sides in the larger rooms? Unacceptable. For Light Level, while you can do it with anyone over 1271, I'd post for 1280 min. If you have someone on your team that isn't making the cut, there is no shame in saying "Looks like you aren't quite ready for this, let us know when you are at a later time." My group yesterday had a very nice Fireteam leader that didn't want to kick one guy that would refuse to do about half of this list and caused us to waste about 2 hours. Sometimes you just need to replace members. Just make sure if you do this, you make it clear in your post that you need people that know what to do and will be replaced if they don't hit the mark.

Just skip it lol. Do challenge, and then CP hop to boss. 0 reason to do caretaker. Red bar adepts don’t count as frames

Let relics stun the champions. Easy fix

You don’t enjoy artificial difficulty by means of champion spam + match game that isn’t rewarding? 😱

Yep, spent 9 hours on it day one. 😫😫😫

You all need to equipt the Glowhoo shader 👍

Apparently it’s a waste of time

So what you’re saying is they made the stupidest fight in the raid more stupid. Hah. Genius.

I agree. The taken blight relic at least does void damage so you can work with that to kill the snipers, but the others are just useless... You can't have AND super tanky enemies AND have them deal massive unreasonable damage AND have tons of shields with match game AND have champions around every corner AND have a tight AF timer. It's too flipping much. It's like they didn't even test this. I bet not a single employee at Bungie could get through this encounter.