i think at this point for raids it's players would like to be able to run all 3 characters through a raid in 2.5-3 hours. rather than spend 3-4 hrs guiding new player(s) and not even complete a raid. just a guess. i just started playing again for the first time in a couple years and would like to run the raids at some point but have not had much luck in LFG. but i remember running leviathan in an experienced group would take 45min to an hour for a completion. where if i would guide new players we would spend 3-4 hours and often times wouldn't complete the raid. this is why i'm not sure raid matchmaking would work. the encounters take teamwork, communication and an understanding obviously of what to do. Trials should absolutely have matching though. really pointless to lock that behind LFG.

How exactly are you experiencing gatekeeping if you're in a Clan? Your Clan members won't play with you?

To be fair Trials and GMs at least are supposed to be ENDGAME activities, you shouldn't have matchmaking for them. If you can't succeed in them that's okay and you simply just need to improve. Raids are interesting. I understand not wanting to teach but right now if you don't have 20+ clears LFG groups just don't want you. There is a lack of people willing to sherpa and I get that. Why would you want to make a raid harder than it needs to be just because of one person. Easier to get someone who knows what they are doing than to try and teach someone.

Clearly you have not tried to do a raid with a team who do not have mics.

Have you ever played another MMO ? I mean, let's be honest here, D2 matchmaking is the minimum of the minimum. You would need to add a couple more options, at least more than in Guided games. Also the game does a really poor job at setting the gatekeep standards. So players have to do it themselves, and as usual it's messed up. Bungie is trying way too hard to keep D2 mysterious to the point of being obscure. Instead of pages and pages of Lore. There should be pages to give some quick guidelines of every of the game activities. There's something wrong when the first thing people ask you is if you watched a video of youtube to know what to do.

I do free carries every weekend in trials. One's inability to be good enough to accomplish a task does not constitute gatekeeping.

Raids don't have matchmaking aside from guided games because you need to communicate with everyone else. Last thing any raid team wants is to randomly match up with someone without a mic or someone who just won't talk for whatever reason or someone who doesn't speak the predominant language of the group. The mechanics already throw enough things into play to make them challenging we really don't need any more complications thrown into so HomieMcHasNoMic can get some trash trustee from crypt. Trials does have traditional matchmaking because it's also a commitment. A commitment to the passage and your teammates. With matchmaking you'd basically have to match alongside players with the same exact passage state as you (i.e. 4 wins 1 loss) and against that same metric. Which would lead to either long queues or poor connections in matches or likely both. Current system does connection to keep things stable for both teams and kinda leans towards wins on passage tho that part can be strange given you can match against teams on their 6 win several times in a single passage. In short it's about commitment. It's barely gear related anymore and any gear preferences for teams are generally super easy to obtain like xeno and lament.

People saying raid matchmaking won't work because chances are 90% of those teams won't clear a raid. Same with trials. Also D2 vanilla was made for the casuals and it was the worst state this franchise has ever been in, so personally anything the does [u]not[/u] cater to f2p casuals I'm my mind, is a good thing

Do you only play shooters? Because the gatekeeping in D2 is far less than any MMO; -I straight up quit WoW because if you didn't clear the first raid of the expansion in the first month it was available, you could never get a group for another raid until the next expansion came out, at which point the cycle repeated. The gate key was an achievement, and each raid had one for its' first month; miss one and you were out of the raiding scene until next expansion. -Guild Wars 2 has a finder for everything; at the moment most groups want a minimum of ~20 (10 man) raid clears to do any 5-man content, on top of requiring specific classes and builds. -EVE is entirely gatekept by time played, in the form of realtime skill training, and the amount of money you can throw at the ship and fittings, because should that ship explode, everything on it goes with it, so you'd best have a pretty shiny fit for any PvP. And in that game, all 'end-game' PvE takes place in PvP enabled zones. Those are just the ones I've reached endgame in; I've tried a few Eastern RPGs that have transferred over (FF14, BDO etc) but never stuck with them. As to [i]why[/i] this gatekeeping happens, it's all to do with time investment vs rewards. No raid has guaranteed rewards worth more than an hour or two, especially for people who can only do a few hours per day maximum (due to work, study, family etc). Trials are the same, though you can take breaks between matches, and GMs are the worst, because should you fail at any point, you get nothing. -Raids are specifically designed to require coordination;p they [i][/i]are[i][/i] the endgame for people who want coordinated play. -Trials are not as reliant on coordination by design, but since they are entirely focused on victory, and a coordinated team will almost always stomp an uncoordinated team, communication is pretty key there as well. Coordinated play is best done as part of a clan; it's basically all they are for. I started D2 on the release of Forsaken, never raided, then quit before Shadowkeep. I returned for Beyond Light, with the intention to raid and dungeon and other endgame activities, so I joined a clan. I knew I had to join a clan to do such activities, so I did. I now have a Divinity, roughly know Garden, and know DSC almost well enough to teach others (it's literally just the terminal callouts in the first encounter I haven't got down). Frankly, being unwilling to even get on voice to coordinate for coordinated play just marks you as not actually wanting to coordinate; you don't actually want to play these modes properly, you just want the loot. Why should groups that want to get through and get their rewards have to carry someone that isn't willing to coordinate with them? Have you SEEN a GM run? Only a few builds are even viable, let alone optimal; it takes 2 shots from a red bar to end a Warlock (believe me, [i]I know[/i]), you HAVE to be revived by a teammate when you die, you have limited revives, and if you wipe your squad goes back to orbit. Even coordinated clan squads on voice comms constantly fail them. There are plenty of activities for people who don't want to fully coordinate, why can't those of us who do want a higher difficulty activity that requires serious group play and almost flawless execution have an activity? I personally dislike PvP and so avoid Trials; I don't feel any need to do it (or even Survival), even though I want the Adept weapons. But I don't think Trials should somehow be made easier; I actually think Raid Exotics should be added to the Lighthouse so that PvP mains that hate Raids aren't locked out of them.

Its because human beings are insufferable petty, dumb sociopathic assholes, who get their jollys off in the digital world.

D2 Y1 is why people don’t like casuals.

Elitism is a mental disease that is not exclusive to Destiny. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to find a game with a communal following to not have a few ‘l337’ individuals. It may just be my opinion but I believe it stems from a lack of fulfillment in life. Miserable person obtains shinys and makes others feel their anger and frustration, seeking the ultimate goal of a typical human being: validation.

Us no lifers want something in life to feel top tier at. TLDR

“gatekeeping” that feminine energy huh

Cause raid matchmaking would be a disaster as I promise you raids will still hardly ever get done, and people will always leave randomly, and others who have no clue will never want to learn and just get carried, all it'll do is cause casuals on the forums complaining about how hard the raid is, and making it easier. And for trials that'd be horrendous as all it'd do is make it easier for teams to go flawless, they'd simply wait till they don't match up against a team and back out every time they see the lobby fill up to quick. That and freelance would make going flawless not even an achievement anymore as it'll be like comp where it's just rng if you win cause your betting to get good teammates and ruins the point of trials, for everything to be on the line and to fight against another team to see which team is better. Last thing we need is more hand outs