Great the Woak community ruined another game I am tired of this

Had to go with some of this Woke BS!

There real question here is this......what does the "14" really mean in Saint 14. I think we all know.

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the clearly just wanted to get brownie points by turning what was a perfectly platonic relationship into something it isn't. they weren't written like that to begin with and turning them gay is disrespectful to the characters, the heterosexual community and the homosexual community all at once. It is as disingenuous as it gets. "Here guys take a gay couple aren't we progressive"

you ever crunch the numbers on how many lgbt people are in destiny? It's rather absurd for 3-4% of the population. I always felt that saints and Osiris's relationship were more brotherly by the way they bicker. it's a shame because I really like Saint and he was always really cool to me.

So, like ... I want to say this as respectfully as possible, because I really want to help foster a broader conversation about asserting heterosexuality, and listening when LGBTQ+ people talk about representation. Can't wait for the hate and "sjw tumblr-bait" comments about this one... There's a lot of folks who have asserted that Bungie has not provided "enough evidence" to support the idea that Saint and Osiris were romantically involved—actually, let's be more clear about it. You and others have asserted that, because Bungie was not providing "enough evidence", that Saint and Osiris [b]aren't[/b] in a relationship, and you go so far as to make these sorts of posts affirming your position as fact. Meanwhile, you and others dismissed those who correctly interpreteded Saint and Osiris as having a romantic relationship. It's not that Bungie didn't put in enough evidence, it's that you refused to see what plenty of members of the LGBTQ+ community saw as obvious. LGBTQ+ often get shoehorned into two shitty situations in popular media. Either the character is openly, end explicitly gay from the very introduction—and is labelled as a "diversity hire". Or the character is revealed to be LGBTQ+ over the course of a story/lore(which, personally, I find more interesting and realistic)—and all of that supporting lore is labelled as "unnecessary diversity pandering". Sucks both ways. If this thread was titled "I don't [b]think[/b] Osiris and Saint are in a relationship" that would be one thing... But that's not how things went down. I'm just asking that, in the future, consider how you talk about asserting character's relationships and sexuality. These may be fictional characters, but they're written by real people with real purpose. Read that writer's twitter thread—I think he states his claim eloquently enough. Queerbaiting is hurtful, but this sort of "I'm not homophoc, y'all just weren't explicitly gay enough for me to accept your sexuality" gaslighting rhetoric is hurtful too. The LGBTQ+ community is just starting to see representation in mass media, and while we're trying to embrace and celebrate that, we're also having to constantly defend ourselves, and LGBTQ+ characters in a way that straight people just don't. It's tiring. But, again. I mean to say all of this with all the love and respect in my heart, and only in the hopes that it helps you and others to be a little more empathetic in the future. Seeing LGBTQ+ relationships normalized in Destiny's lore has been something I'm deeply grateful for. We all love this game, the stories it tells, and the characters we play with. Let's change the language we're using when talking about LGBTQ+ characters. Let's be more open to conversation. Be safe out there, guardian.

Whatever Saint is an exo anyways

https://twitter.com/Sphynxian/status/1332749034507800578?s=20 Hold the L, gamer (original response being kept up though I wish I went with a less confrontational & dickish tone)

Personally I couldn’t care less if they are gay or not. I just dislike it when devs make characters gay or bi or pan or what not just to appeal to the audience or prove they aren’t homophobic. I don’t give a shit if Saint is gay or not unless it impacts the story in any way. Like all narratives, everything must serve a purpose. Like Devrim being in the EDZ to protect the city because that’s where Marcus lives.

[quote]Destiny has had many gay relationships in the past and handles them pretty well, Devrim being one of my favorites tbh.][/quote] I was under the distinct impression that Devrim was deeply in love with Suraya, but was unwilling to act on it because of their age gap and his status as her mentor.

just scrolled through the comment section and ohhhh BOY some people are not gonna be happy with the new lore that just dropped

As ambiguous as Bungie intentionally makes this situation, or even as many times as they hint at characters possibly having a romantic attraction with someone of the same sex or both...(like Ana buying a gift during the Valentine's day event and hoping "she" will like it... Or Shaxx offering his hand in marriage to ANY guardian who wins a bow during a crucible tournament, in that same event. I want to add that regardless of how silly that situation was, we know he was serious, which is why it's so great.) Bungie does this with some characters so 1, they can be progressive AF without pissing off Twitter or certain "game journalists". The ones who really don't care about how many are represented, or the ratio of that representation. Then 2, so as many people as possible can see themselves in their guardian(s) as well as other characters in game without leaving out anyone. Things can be either/or with those characters. I mean since last season Ikora has shown more care for Zavala then usual. As she used to direct concern to everyone without singling people out, which could be interpreted as romantic attraction. Then there's Drifter and Moondust (Eris). Yes there's speculation that they are also a couple, or that there's some attraction between them, since they have that playful banter with each other. This season Osiris leaves recordings in Zavala's office, further showing how much he cares for Saint, which could also be interpreted as physical attraction. (Technically wouldn't that possibly make Osiris pansexual and not gay?? Saint is an exo after all for "inclusivity's sake".... Or could that be ambiguous too? 🤷‍♂️) The fact that he's always bringing him and his emotions for him up, is another reason to allude to this. But at the same time those exact same reasons could also be taken as a bond between best friends, 2 people that like to poke fun at each other, or even a brotherly bond. Love doesn't have to be intimate, as we all have varying degrees of love for people we are close to. Interpretation is the same way in this situation. I might see one thing a certain way and someone else sees it another. Bungie most likely won't establish any kind of preference with those characters just for this reason. I mean does this video game really have to have romantic relationships and preferences between all main NPC characters if the option isn't available for the player? Except for Drifter and Eris....They are a couple and it's cannon even if Bungie says otherwise only because it's hilarious... Undercover lovers

umm... hate to burst your bubble. Eris kinda strictly implies Osiris has a thing for Saint.

Osiris and Ikora are kind of already a thing anyways

That would make close to 85% of Destiny characters gay. That's pretty representative of reality. /s

Two bros [i]chillin in a timeline[/i] Five feet apart cuz they're not gay~

JK Rowling plays Destiny?

If it turns out that St 14, and Osiris are in a romantic relationship with each other....Ill probably leave the franchise. This would be way too much. Osiris is like 80.