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5/23/2020 1:37:30 PM
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Weapon Retirement? Say goodbye to casual players.
Dear Bungie,
Weapon retirement will drive casual players away. You guys already making us feel as though we need to treat Destiny 2 as a full-time job. I love Destiny 2 but I can barely afford any spare time to play it. When I do, I aim to progress bit by bit to get a weapon I desire. I could spend an entire season just to get 21% Delirium. Imagine grinding for a long time, only to get a weapon that's gonna be retired soon. Do you enjoy doing this? You think any of us is gonna enjoy doing this? Let's admit it, in the end, you're just gonna make the new weapons have similar perks as the sunset ones, have us grind for them, and call it CONTENT. I really don't wish to see anything as pathetic as that, and I'm sure many casual players don't too. We put in time and effort among our busy schedules to actually work towards obtaining these weapons, and hell it's just gonna be useless in another half a year or so?
Destiny 2 is a VIDEO GAME, not a JOB. Video games should be fun and entertaining, which is what Destiny 2 is most definitely not gonna feel like if weapon retirement becomes a thing. We're sick of grinding again and again and again. Give us ACTUAL content. Heck, expand upon the lore. Give us new missions that tell meaningful stories in the world of Destiny. It's why we still even play. There's just so many questions unanswered that we could delve into right now. You really think grinding for new weapons are our biggest concern? When we're all already so satisfied with our current loadouts after working so hard to get them? Forcefully rendering our favorite weapons useless and making us grind for another similar weapon with higher power is about the most pathetic way to make people play the game. The point is to ENJOY the game. Don't you see? It's just too debilitating for casual players. We just don't have the time for that.
Please, don't sunset weapons, at the very least pinnacle weapons, for the sake of casual players.
Sincerely,
Casual player who really loves D2
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18 AntwortenIt is worse on hardcore players that invested massive amounts of time equity into perfecting loadouts and stats.
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I am a veteran player so i guess both casuals and grinders are together against sunseting. Look, I will try and just give my 2 cents as a veteran player whose main motivation is chasing every single god roll in the game. I am a collector player, and a looter game should be the type of game that welcomes me and respect my time, every single weapon in my vault is a god roll with months or years of time to get it (Hundreds of raids, dozens of strikes, over 200 runs of hollow lair, 136 dismantled tranquilities till the one I wanted and many more stories of grinding) and some from as far as black armory i am still chasing (Still haven't gotten my god roll blast furnace and spare rations). Every season I get the god roll of every new weapon. All this time I poured will be thrown in garbage as this gear I suffered so much to acquire will get an expiration date. What is the point of me playing then if the main reason i play no longer exists (And in fact I quit since they announced sunsetting and wont return till is 100% off the table). Its sad because I really enjoy destiny, and I feel most players feel the same. Most of the emotions veterans collector players feel now isn't rage but deep disappointment that bungie values them so little. I will not go into rage mode or get into winning matches with players for this thing, but for me it ruins the experience, and honestly makes me just not care anymore. The worst is that instead of trying to compromise a better solution, or working to make interesting content, bungie and lots of players just say to collectors like me that I should accept it and keep running the hamster wheel. Well, I will not. Hope they come around but i am realistic enough to know this isn't likely.
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1 year to get new armor Is goiNg tO bE hArd is 1 year That's PLENTY OF TIME
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Disagree 100%. Casual players are going to see the new, super powerful guns with crazy perks and abilities and will have incentive to go into raids/ nightfalls/ trials to get these weapons for themselves.
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Sorry but anyone who is actually a casual player isn't going to be affected by these changes. The changes won't affect the parts of the game you play....and the parts of the game that you don't shouldn't be watered down to accomodate someone who struggles to find time to play. Because that ruins the experience of those who do have time to play that difficult, endgame content.
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22 AntwortenHardcore players too. I EARNED my Pinnacle and Ritual weapons. How DARE you sunset all that hard work? Here's what went into those guns (bolded are the ones I've done). Just got Python tonight. Thinking about Hush or Exit Strategy, but what's the point? Ritual Weapons: [b]Edgewise[/b] Strike Playlist Score Final Blows with Machine Guns Score Final Blows with Solar abilities Score Points Randy's Throwing Knife Crucible Score Final Blows with Scout Rifles Earn 2,100 Glory Defeat enemies and earn medals Exit Strategy Gambit Earn 150 multikills with Submachine Guns Earn 125 medals Earn points Komodo-4FR Crucible Earn 125 Linear Fusion Rifle final blows Earn 15 Linear Fusion Rifle precision final blows Reach Glory rank "Heroic" [b]Python[/b] Gambit Earn 500 Shotgun final blows Earn 150 Shotgun close-range final blows Reach Infamy Rank "Heroic" [b]Buzzard[/b] Strike Playlist Earn Sidearm final blows Earn 50 Sidearm airborne final blows Earn points in the Vanguard Strikes playlist Pinnacle Weapons: Redrix’s Claymore (not available) Fabled rank in Competitive Crucible Redrix’s Broadsword Crucible 200 defeats Heroic Valor Rank 75 Double Plays 150 Pulse Rifle precision final blows 50 kills with Arc, Solar, and Void 25 matches in Quickplay, Competitive, and Rumble 20 Crucible bounties Reset Valor Rank 5 times Luna’s Howl Crucible Complete 10 Competitive Crucible matches 150 Hand Cannon kills in Competitive 200 Solar kills in Competitive 3 Rumble matches 100 Hand Cannon precision kills in Competitive Reach Fabled Glory Rank Not Forgotten Crucible Get kills using Luna’s Howl in Competitive Crucible Reach Legend Glory Rank [b]Loaded Question[/b] Strikes & Nightfalls 500 Fusion Rifle kills 1,000 Arc kills 40 Strikes or Nightfalls completed [b]Breakneck[/b] Gambit 500 Auto Rifle kills 100 Auto Rifle multikills Defeat 150 challenging enemies Complete 40 Gambit matches The Mountaintop Crucible Reach Brave Glory rank Complete the Triumph “In Pursuit of Honor” Grenade Launcher final blows Rapidly defeat enemies with Grenade Launchers “Calculated Trajectory” Grenade Launcher medals Reach Fabled Glory rank [b]Oxygen SR3[/b] Strikes and Nightfalls 1,000 precision kills Generate 500 Orbs of Light Complete Strikes or Nightfalls (Nightfalls award more progress) Revoker Crucible Earn 3,500 Glory in the Competitive Playlist (losing Glory won’t remove progress) Kill 50 Guardians with sniper rifle headshots Kill 300 Guardians with sniper rifles Recluse Crucible Win matches in the Crucible (about 20 matches in the Competitive playlist, 100 in Quickplay) Reach the Fabled rank in the Competitive playlist [b]21% Delirium[/b] Gambit Reset your Infamy rank Earn 75 multikills of five or more Defeat Envoys and Primevals Hush Gambit 1,000 kills with a bow 500 precision kills with a bow Earn Gambit medals [b]Wendigo GL3[/b] Strike Playlist Kill 1,500 enemies with grenade launchers Earn 500 grenade launcher multikills Earn points by killing enemies with grenade launchers (dying sets progress back)
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2 AntwortenWeapons can be played for one year in high level content and endlessly anywhere else. No big deal a dear is a long time. Get over it. Life won't end right there.
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Bearbeitet von Crystilonus2011: 5/26/2020 1:42:41 PM🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 this literally wont affect you as a casual player. You’re not in the endgame, so all of your equipment will be viable. You probably won’t even notice the cap after the year has passed. Also, games like this are about the grind, the chase. If you want games where you get the best loot and then you’re done going for loot, to play single player games. Those seem to be more your style. This is destiny, and this is how it is.
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8 AntwortenSunsetting won't really effect you casuals and your lazy do nothing counterparts. Stop fretting.
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1 AntwortenTo me it’s more like, say goodbye to serious time investment from players. I’m a PvP main, and everyday crucible for me will be like iron banner — just use whatever bullshit you have lying around, and don’t bother putting in time grinding for god rolls. If I happen to get a god roll, OK, but if I don’t, I’m not gonna invest any time into farming nightfalls or sh!t like that. Because why? Casuals may just choose to duck out. Pretty committed players like myself will do ONLY what’s fun, and say fvck the rest. Overall, a loss of engagement and playtime across the whole spectrum of players.
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2 AntwortenWeapon retirement already exists. You just don't realize it because of the variety. If there are 7 different HC with the same perk trees are you still going to use the one you got in year 1 or are you going to use the one you just got because it's new ? It's the same philosophy . If they sunset the recluse but they come out with a smg that has rampage + surrounded are you going to be sad the recluse is sunset ? Its all in whats to come . If they mix things up and make things stronger and perk combos more draft because of sunsetting then it will be a blessing. If they sunset everything just to Introduce the same shit then we have somthing. So it's worth waiting it out.
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Want just getting back into it and have already uninstalled it.
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I played religiously since D1 Beta.. Since the TWAB and retirement I haven't touched the game. Even skipped Iron Banner and I never do that. Just not the least bit interested in going back to re-earn less viable versions of the same gear we have now. Done with the rat race and piss poor direction from the top down.
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I’m a returning player from year 1 D2. Stopped playing right before the last dlc. I redownloaded it since it went “free” just to enjoy the two first dlc and have a decent pvp experience from time to time when I’ve got time to kill (which is a lot during this coronavirus thing lol) I promise you, casual players like me don’t even truly understand what’s going on. Even less so do I think it impacts me or my experience. I’m so damn casual I’m not even entirely sure what pinnacle weapons are lol. I’m doing just fine with my AR with Outlaw on it in the pvp sense. I have been reading up on the forums about this issue though, and if anything it would be a kick in the balls to the veterans. I’m no stranger to grind, most of my experience comes from D1 back when “forever 29” was the meme. So I do feel bad for the people who put in the work just to have their weapons messed with. But like I said, as a casual player I barely feel this upcoming change. Hell it probably already happened, I wouldn’t know lol.
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1 AntwortenOne of the friends that played D1 finally got into D2 cus its free. Was having a grand old time. Got a god roll better devils and loves it. Wasted the little resources he had to masterwork it. He told me this after the fact. I let him know about the changes coming and sunsetting... He already feels gutted. "why isn't there something in game to tell me that" was his first response, followed by "If they're going to cap our gear, whats the point in even going for loot - i may as well just use the first weapon i get to fill each slot and call it a day"
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2 AntwortenPinnacles are probably the main reason sunsetting is going to happen. They can't balance them because the community would freak out that their "time isn't being respected," so, they're going to let them run rampant until they're retired.
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6 AntwortenMost casuals will likely be gone before sunsetting even begins, due to the release of the new xbox and playstation. Most won't be bothered with trying to hook up the old system when there are shinier games to played on the new system.
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14 AntwortenLol you numpty, the truly casual player base won't even feel this change. If only you could read, you would be able to see that all gear is still 100% viable in the vast majority of content, just not aspirational content. People like you are the worst of the worst when it comes to this debate, because if a new light player saw the complete asinine shit you were spewing, they would truly believe their gear would be taken away from them.
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[quote]Dear Bungie, Weapon retirement will drive casual players away. You guys already making us feel as though we need to treat Destiny 2 as a full-time job. I love Destiny 2 but I can barely afford any spare time to play it. When I do, I aim to progress bit by bit to get a weapon I desire. I could spend an entire season just to get 21% Delirium. Imagine grinding for a long time, only to get a weapon that's gonna be retired soon. Do you enjoy doing this? You think any of us is gonna enjoy doing this? Let's admit it, in the end, you're just gonna make the new weapons have similar perks as the sunset ones, have us grind for them, and call it CONTENT. I really don't wish to see anything as pathetic as that, and I'm sure many casual players don't too. We put in time and effort among our busy schedules to actually work towards obtaining these weapons, and hell it's just gonna be useless in another half a year or so? Destiny 2 is a VIDEO GAME, not a JOB. Video games should be fun and entertaining, which is what Destiny 2 is most definitely not gonna feel like if weapon retirement becomes a thing. We're sick of grinding again and again and again. Give us ACTUAL content. Heck, expand upon the lore. Give us new missions that tell meaningful stories in the world of Destiny. It's why we still even play. There's just so many questions unanswered that we could delve into right now. You really think grinding for new weapons are our biggest concern? When we're all already so satisfied with our current loadouts after working so hard to get them? Forcefully rendering our favorite weapons useless and making us grind for another similar weapon with higher power is about the most pathetic way to make people play the game. The point is to ENJOY the game. Don't you see? It's just too debilitating for casual players. We just don't have the time for that. Please, don't sunset weapons, at the very least pinnacle weapons, for the sake of casual players. Sincerely, Casual player who really loves D2[/quote] Solution: DO NOT sunset weapons that requires a quest to be obtained. Sunsetting should be fine as long as it implies sunsetting weapons that requires no effort to get (like weapons you drop from the crucible, from random strikes, from the weaponsmith, from engrams..). Those weapons can be sunsetted (like they were in destiny 1) as long as there are new weapons taking their position. Weapons that requires a quest to complete in order to be used shoul never ever be sunsetted due to the effort needed to take them.
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casual players? casual players usually play strikes, patrols, Lost sectors, etc. sunset weapons can be used in all of that. sunset weapons won't be usable in the end game, high power level content which casuals don't play. casuals won't notice sunsetting.
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4 AntwortenIf anything, this is actually beneficial to the casual player. Put yourself in the shoes of a casual player today. "I want to be meta in PvE" -Get Fabled and slog through the mountaintop quest/Get Recluse -Do The Whisper/Get Xenophage/Puzzle through the Divinity quest -OOPS! Took a break in Season 8? No Eriana's for you -Farm Nightfalls to get masterwork materials for 4 hours -Farm armor stats for E T E R N I T Y "I want to be meta in PvP" -Farm mindbenders for 4 hours -Hope an engram/Xur hands out SUROS/farm spare rations for 4 hours -Get Fabled and get Revoker/Farm Beloved for 4 hours Casual player after sunsetting "I want to be meta" -Do whatever the current content is Additionally, sunsetting only blocks your ability to use old stuff in Iron Banner/Trials and Nightfalls/Raids/Seasonal Activities. This again is much more friendly to casual players who don't have to gear up with years-old content in order to interact with high-level content.
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13 AntwortenTLDR. HE's quitting. Another long rant why we should care. FELICIA its a -blam!-ing video game i've been alive for 30 years been though many a series of games. A new one will come you're gonna be ok EVERYONE ! were all gonna be ok ! ALSO BYE
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I’m just glad to know that Bungie has such great feel for its community and such an open, honest, and robust dialogue with its community! Just think of the 2 or 3, or even half dozen sentences that get posted each and every week here by the community managers!!
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9 AntwortenIt'll drive hardcore players away as well. I have spent weeks grinding for rolls on certain guns and some of the rolls I'm still yet to get but now the rolls that I have gotten will be useless in endgame and the rolls I still want I wont spend time to get. Overall sunsetting is bad for the game and drives all players away from the game.
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I completely agree with this. What is the point of grinding for a weapon if it's going to be rendered useless in a couple seasons? On the other hand I also agree SOMETHING needs to be done to stimulate gear diversity, but sunsetting is just a sucker-punch to the people who poured their souls into obtaining pinnacle weapons or god rolls. Bungie I really hope you're reading these posts. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THIS!
