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1/6/2020 10:53:17 PM
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Dear High kd players...
Your opinion does not matter more than anyone elses...if anything you are a very small % of the population and therefore don’t represent the player base. Stop using kd to bolster your argument or undermine someone else’s. It’s irrelevant, if anything should hurt your point because you don’t speak for the majority. We all know what happens when we let the top 2% run everything 😜. The masses suffer
Edit: ok...getting a lot of “Feedback” here lol. One thing I learned is that low kd players and high kd players suffer from different issues and have different experiences in the crucible. Low kd players have issues with weapons like shotguns and jotuun, while high kd players have issues with weapons like high impact fusions (erentil, wizen rebuke, elatha) Low kd players will often never even see a fusion rifle in a match, it will almost all be shotguns. While high kd are getting roasted by erentil with back up plans. This makes the issue of balancing very complicated, especially because half the game is also pve and these nerfs effect that as well. What is the solution if something effects low kd but not high, and vice versa? How do you weigh the feedback from each community?
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27 AntwortenIf A is better than B in something, A's opinion is more valuable High tier players have better understanding of the crucible and they are more dedicated to it, what they say should be precious
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2 AntwortenI agree that high K/D does not make one's opinion any more important or their point any more valid. K/D like light is but a number that fluctuates. It is but a single stat for a single game type and simply shows that you are good at that game type. That being said, I have to disagree that it is only 2% of the community it. There is far more of the population that has a positive K/D than that and I'd say maybe 40-50% of the player base has a positive K/D with maybe 60-70% of the PvP population having it based on rough guesses and a reasonable thought process. I also disagree that having a good or bad K/D means that you are using a certain weapon type or experiencing certain issues. Weapon type a player uses and ones K/D do not correlate, as that would suggest that everyone of good K/D was good with that weapon type, or all those with bad K/D are bad with another. Different people have different play styles and what comes down to is simply whether or not that person is good or not for that game type.
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1 AntwortenI agree to an extent that high KD dosent matter since it can easily be farmed. We also have to incorporate play time as well. I would trust a 1.3kd with 300 hours vs a 4.2kd with 20 hours, simply put, they have more playtime. Now i wouldnt trust a 1.3kd with 20 hours vs a 4.2kd with 300.
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I prefer a mix of performance and overall playtime when considering someone's feedback about PvP but that's just me. 🤷♂️
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11 AntwortenNope. Call me crazy, but I'd rather have highly intelligent players giving feedback about PvP than a bunch of potatoes who look like they play with their monitors off.
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When the top players give feedback it's usually what works best for THEM. It's NOT how to change the game to allow the average player to occasionally kill them. Yeah, they do understand the mechanics better and the implications of changes but that does not mean their suggestions are altruistic. I've seen games where the top PVPers were the only ones the developers listened to (some of the staff being among them) and the result was that in any match with one or them in it everyone who wasn't a top player (or on their team) just got slaughtered. That makes it no fun for MOST of the players. Lots of posts about "Why is PVP dying???" Well duh, no one wants to show up just to be your victim.
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12 AntwortenGenerally speaking, no. Usually, those with a high K/D are those who are better at PVP than the average player. Usually, those who are better at PVP play a lot more PVP than the average player. Usually, those that play more PVP have a better idea what should be done to improve PVP. Therefore, usually, those with a high K/D have a better idea what should be done to improve PVP. Make sense? As an example, a high K/D player might say that Erentil should get a range nerf because it requires no skill and is not fun to use, whereas a low K/D player would want to keep Erentil as it is now because it is the only gun they can get kills with. Did you make this post because you don't want Erentil nerfed? Do you have a low K/D? Now I have a lot of questions...
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5 AntwortenI agree to a certain extent, but I think it's the average pvp player (1.0-1.3) who's opinions matter the most, this group generally has decent gunskill, and understands meta and balance. High skill positioning, counterplay, and strategy tend to show up more in the higher k/d's as well as that greater degree of gunskill. These people are going to do well and adapt no matter the changes in sandbox and metas easily.
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Bearbeitet von Lord_Shar: 1/7/2020 12:35:22 AMThe great bulk of competitive games and E-sports are balanced for high level PVP, not low / average tiers. The reason for this is simple -- low-and mid-tier PVP balancing choices are often exploited by higher tier PVP'er to turn the most mundane weapons into an "I-Win" button. Obviously this situation is not acceptable long term since the upper tier meta stagnates into "use weapon-x + build-y" repetitive face-offs. Low and mid-tier players may not have the required muscle memory or precision aim to break low/mid-tier "balanced" weapons, but higher tier players will most certainly shove it in the faces of their opponents. As much as I'd like to believe that all opinions are equal, the truth is that battle proven gun skills trumps inexperienced conjecture any day. And I'm saying this as an average KD player.
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I was called toxic for using a mida and sidearm, lead the team 😂
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4 AntwortenBearbeitet von Tk: 1/6/2020 8:54:19 PMIve got about 1.6-1.7 kd on comp and quickplay as a solo player before freelance was a thing. (destiny tracker says im top 2% idk how but ok). I agree with sbmm, just this game NEEDS dedicated servers to fully support it. Edit: And cross play on consoles.
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13 AntwortenIt isn't that hard to manipulate or boost your KD in Destiny via cheese. Lots of players do it to flex their epeen. KD means nothing.
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Well you're actually wrong. High K/D players matter less. Bungie doesn't balance for the top %. They balance for the main demographic. Hate it or love it, that's how it is. You can't really blame Bungie for going this route either considering hardcore PvP has never been the focus of the game. Important sure but it makes up a fraction of the game.
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Dear low kd players [quote]Your opinion does not matter more than anyone elses...if anything you are a very small % of the population and therefore don’t represent the player base. Stop using kd to bolster your argument or undermine someone else’s. It’s irrelevant, if anything should hurt your point because you don’t speak for the majority. We all know what happens when we let the top 2% run everything 😜. The masses suffer[/quote]
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Bearbeitet von MelissaJDiamonds: 1/6/2020 7:48:41 PMTo be honest I keep my kd low deliberately A I don't want attention from players to help them also. B won't get put in with top playres so can chil and relax which also gives me opportunity to do all pve related activities in the game
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Better players play more pvp, we know whats wrong with it and how to fix it. We all have very very similar ideas on how to fix pvp and what needs to be done. We dont know what D2 looks like when the top pvp players run everything, so far its the pve and new/low time invested players. When you cater to casuals you lose your game, when the game becomes casual then dedicated players leave because casuals arent guaranteed players like hardcore players. If you have a low KD it means you dont understand crucible at all and that nullifies your opinion on pvp bc you dont play it.
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39 AntwortenWe all know how people keep a High K/D. These are the people who refuse to play objectives.
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[quote]Your opinion does not matter more than anyone elses...if anything you are a very small % of the population and therefore don’t represent the player base. Stop using kd to bolster your argument or undermine someone else’s. It’s irrelevant, if anything should hurt your point because you don’t speak for the majority. We all know what happens when we let the top 2% run everything 😜. The masses suffer[/quote] And your opinion matters more? The masses suffer? LoL Bungie tried to implement a dad Meta and where’s the playerbase? GONE.... Casuals do NOT stick around. They dip and they dip early. How many weeks are we into a new seasonal? And where are your precious average players? Not Playing Destiny!!! It’s just not KD players look at. Some of us actually have 7-10 thousand plus matches with above average stats. Those are the ppl I would be more open to. Not someone with a.5 and 300 matches played because they only do weeklys in crucible then dip. Id rather listen to the players than rarely venture out of pvp.
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18 AntwortenSo you’re saying we should be saying how many Crucible matches we’ve played, not our KD? Because that’s actual in game experience, regardless of performance. You’ve played 1,500 matches. I’ve played almost 4,000. If my opinion more relevant than yours?
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Depends. If you have a 0.1KD I'm not going to take anything you say about crucible seriously because I'd wager that you barely know anything about the game.
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? What am I missing? What are good crucible players to blame for now?
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come on don't you know high kds will get them laid someday, or a high paying job.
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von michael: 1/4/2020 11:55:08 PMBringing K/D into an argument is stupid, both you saying opinions of people with good stats dont matter and people with good stats using it to ego people. This game is lightyears away from competitive and as someone with good stats, stats mean nothing at all. A person with good stats could be horrifically bad and a person with bad stats could be cracked. The one stat I care about is playtime. If you have less than like 3 days in crucible I could not care less about your opinion because you have hardly even given it a chance. You are talking about something you have next to no experience in. Aside from that I don’t care about stats at all.
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I’ve not got a high kd but a very good players opinion is very important if they choose to give honest feedback. They can explain what things are easy for them to do and why etc. Unfortunately it doesn’t make sense for a good player to give up the best tips and tricks unless they have a reason to. The basis is, if you’re not very good at a game it’s most probably because you don’t understand the meta, abilities, gameplay etc so you’re opinion is that of bias in that you’re unhappy at not doing well so only want things changed that makes it easier for you. Anything that makes the game easier for low skilled players makes the game even more easy for the higher skilled players.
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Whatever you do make sure not to mention how aim assist taints the concept of skill.
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3 AntwortenPvP players opinions does not matter at all. The centre of the game the whole purpose is endgame pve content. PvP is for the marketing reasons especially those who came from the CoD. If someone thinks he thinks pvp is equal or greater than raiding is delusional.
