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Bearbeitet von Heresy Hour:
9/5/2019 6:37:57 PM
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Do Streamers represent the community?
So we’ve heard the news on the nerf. A lot of us are 50 50 about it as shown in other polls. As you can easily guess? I don’t agree with it one bit personally having played all 3 classes.
Disclaimer: I wish no misfortune upon Datto, I have watched his content until recently but I have friends who watch his content still. I speak with them and discuss things. He is a streamer and a destiny content creator and this post may as well be free real estate for him. Coding, designing a raid or anything else is a difficult task. I’ll acknowledge that. This community will find ways to break the game once again and this cycle will repeat. I don’t like Datto, but that’s just me. You’re free to your own thoughts. Datto himself speaks for his community as it’s been said repeatedly in the comment section below. Datto merely said something I disagree with, that’s a difference in opinion. Remember, streamers are people and are human.
Personally I don’t even agree with this nerf playing all 3 classes and someone who knows streamers most definitely represent their communities. Within Respect I know we’re very very much conflicted on what we want. we’re people and that’s how it ends up being. By this point I’m mostly curious. I’m genuinely unhappy with it but as I said? Coding and AI are hard to make decent. I’ve already done the song and dance with balance and game breaking things. There’s a lot of room for discussion. I know the streamers mention a lot of things, Bungie listens to them. Try to be somewhat civil because I won’t try to insult him; if I recall Datto admits he wants the game to be harder and he’s on the elite side of the community. I’ll still play the game during Shadowkeep. but I do feel like warlocks and titans are now closer to being useless.
Edit: This post was edited heavily. I expect the poll votes to change heavily. I am slow, not stupid. This post is quite literally a literal hellhole where everyone apparently can speak freely. I like being civil, I’m human after all.
Remember, I speak for myself. I don’t speak for the community so don’t misconceive me as trying to do so.
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3 AntwortenHere is the real problem.....its not the gun, armor, or abilites......Of course Datto doesn't see it that way....... This is the result of a lack of creativity on Bungies raid dev's. It's been the same basic raid processes since D1: Shoot the boss, do a dance, jump on a plate in some kind of order, shoot something in order, and kill the glowing guy to get the boss's shield to drop and then DPS him while he is standing in the same place and unless he is stomping on you he...….NEVER MOVES. Because he never moves wells, bubbles, lunafaction, barriers, etc all work so bungies typical response is to Nerf it and hardcore PVE community thinks its a great idea so there is no 1 phase. How about make a raid boss actually do something other than stand in one place like a dumb shit waiting to be shot in the face and occasionally shooting back while guardians are flying all over the place doing some stupid puzzle to make the boss vulnerable???
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1 AntwortenIt’s a good nerf, it helps keep the PvE game difficult instead of just one phasing every boss. It will also shake up the PvE meta a bit. But to the datto issue, think of his YouTube video as a forum post. One that got a ton of upvotes(likes) meaning that people agree with him. Imagine if bungie ignored a forum post with thousands of upvotes. People would be pissed, same applies.
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2 AntwortenSo when luna/rift got introduced into the game, at first it made content too easy, then future content had to be made with it in mind and so luna/rift became mandatory. Isn't it just much simpler to kill off luna/rift and other regenerative reload mechanics as to not have to build all content with them in mind, thus freeing up the playerbase to "play how they want to play"?
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Streamers and the "elite" player groups feed back usually count for something because of their time played, and thought put behind their posts. Unlike yours, which is a weird personal expression of butthurt and dislike for an opinion from an "elite" that you don't like. What's the point of this post? To validate yourself by getting other people to poll that they don't like some one either. Weird dude.
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Dorto represents a turd floating in a 7/11 toilet.
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1 AntwortenBearbeitet von TJ_Dot: 9/5/2019 5:19:39 AMI really disliked how hard he leaned on player strategy over the boss design that demands it. The root of the problem needs fixing in future content, use the past as a lesson. We can't keep going on these same ring hugging magazine dumps, but what does a nerf do to change that if the fight itself is intended for such? What does a nerf do if the fight wasn't good for it anyway? This doesn't do anything for anyone at all, it doesn't help or create challenge. Nothing is going to get better because of this guys come on. This is what bothers me about the influence of bigger names, they attract like-minded people and rally them under this single idea, even if it isn't the best solution, its something against the issue they have and they choose to settle with the guy that goes viral. Settling with nerfing the potency of the strat is not the same as pushing Bungie to make something where it isn't viable.
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I'm guessing Datto is loving this thread. As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
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1 AntwortenDatto = whiner
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3 AntwortenI've lost respect for datto ever since he ranted for nerf of machine guns during black armory, btw range should have been nerfed not damage. Currently bungie says they are not nerfing g launchers, but they know and we know aswell that if they nerf them there will be no legendary heavy weapons worth using against bosses. Also currently datto dresses up in cosplay girl costumes...enough said, lol
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Never trust a guy who refers to himself in the third person....
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He’s a scrub who does Bungie’s bidding, that’s all.
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7 AntwortenBearbeitet von EMW ZEEK: 9/5/2019 1:07:10 PMHe doesnt speak for "the" community but he does speak for "his" community. And his community is quite large. his opinion is worth at least as much as 500,000 people or so on the low end considering he has about a million subs now. That 500,000 number is very generous towards the nay sayers. EDIT something that just struck me is that Dattos subscriber base is larger than the total number of people on reddit and this forum combined LOL.
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No but I agree with a lot of the sentiments he had in his video. Basically every single one of the mechanics that he stated in that video cause significant problems and polarization within the game. Auto-Reload (outside of hunter dodge as it’s a single use trait) becomes necessary in order to complete high level engagements in PvE. Single shot grenade launchers are evidence of this as they are able to out-DPS many heavies thanks to auto reload. I don’t like it when Bungie puts streamer names in their posts, especially on meta changes, as it makes it seem like their word is worth more than ours. And to be honest it is... Streamers can collect information from a wider aggregate of players and relay the basics of what those players want effectively. Yes it’s not fair, but Bungie doesn’t have the time to go through all your posts about how lightweight Sidearms are OP due to them having a very fast optimal TTK. By looking to major sources like streamers who can get a consensus from their followers and relay it to Bungie. Is this a perfect system? No, streamers can and often do misread the desires of their followers. Auto Reload is a vestige of the double primary meta when we could use every DPS boost we could get. It needed to go. We didn’t have it in D1 and no one complained about the lack of power fantasy that comes with having to actually reload your gun.
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No one represent the entire community. You kids just blame him for any change you don’t like just because he’s one of the more known Destiny players. I’m sure there’s tons of changes he has asked for that hasn’t been implemented but let’s just ignore that and only focus on the ones that do get listened to. There always needs to be a boogeyman with you all.
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Obviously not but do you really enjoy using only one build to play the game? Sure this nerf sucks but at the same time there is nothing bungie can do to balance the game. Now bungie can nerf the enemies we fight too and focus more on actual mechanics rather than being forced to build bullet sponges
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Not sure how I feel about this. Datto basically just ranted about the game like a lot of people do. It’s really on Bungie that they would allow themselves to be inadvertently manipulated into nerfing guardian power as a result of another guardian that is many times better than the average guardian. Not a big fan of Datto’s, but I think he’s somewhat of a scapegoat on this issue. I’d bet that Bungie was already considering these nerfs before Datto opened his mouth. And to anyone that read Luke Smith’s three part writeup closely it becomes pretty obvious that they’re going with less content while adding more difficulty to prop up the Shadowkeep logged in hours.
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I've watched his takes on this. He is not wrong. He is also not the only one saying something about it. Everyone has known for a very long time that this set up is easy mode for the whole game. And this forum certainly doesn't speak for the game either. When i join groups most players don't know anything about the complaints here and don't have them. This is a thought bubble of the community. There was a time when we did raids without this OP set up. There was a time when you couldn't one phase raid bosses until you were overlevled after a DLC. Even then it wasn't as easy as it is now. The community now days is really lazy and full of bad players. I genuinely believe that the quality of player when finding groups has went down and part of it is these training wheels set ups. It's so hard to find a decent LFG group that can finish the raids that are not hard at all. It's really sad. And they don't know how to do anything without "need Warlocks with luna well." They can't fathom having to control adds and 2 cycle a boss because they are so dependent on this strat. And that's IF they can perform the simple task of passing the buff in CoS for example. There are other ways to defeat the encounters. I assure you it's very possible to complete the raids as all arc or all void subclasses, and as an all guardian class that's not Warlocks because i've done it for the triumphs. And my clan is just normal players. It was actually a blast to not do the same ol boring set ups. Hate on him for being elite if you want but you gotta give him credit for not promoting "cheeses" and other such things as well. which to be honest the whole community rallies around because one half is lazy and the other won't take the time to teach people. Because most just want the loot as fast as possible. Can't blame them for that. But people hold up that process by not learning or teaching.
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Bearbeitet von Tis-but-a-scratch: 9/5/2019 5:53:51 PMNever watched him nor any other “big name”. Only time I watch a video is if I’m trying to figure something out, and even then I don’t pay attention to who it is.
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I think he is representing BBC.
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Datto is an individual who plays Destiny, and therefore is entitled to have an opinion about how the game should work. This is more on Bungie for putting too much weight on the side of Datto and other similar streamers rather than spreading their time evenly between all the other kinds of players. Honestly, I do agree with Datto when it comes to high level content being too easy. The fact that people were one-phasing Ghalran on day one with the contest modifier active clearly shows that we are too powerful for the content Bungie is currently designing. I don't think Datto is very insightful when it comes to PvP though.
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3 AntwortenI've had an issue with Lunafactions from day one, before Datto said shit. I don't particularly car that they make encounters easier, but it does irritate me that they totally invalidate the Titan main support ability. Those boots are squarely behind the days when LFG had tons of "No Titans" and "hunters or warlocks only" requirements.
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2 AntwortenWeak people need leaders, he’s just filling a hole.
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No one person represents anything. I appreciate there are videos to watch and streams to watch for the game though. Obviously some videos I will disagree with, and some I will agree with.
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1 AntwortenThank you for this post. I'm glad that I'm in the majority. Honestly cannot stand to hear that pretentious pontificator anymore. So many other Youtube alternative's that get straight to the point.
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7 Antwortenhe doesn't represent the whole community, but he does represent a part of this community. You should have seen the line at his booth at guardian con, the man has a following.
