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8/2/2019 4:10:54 PM
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You are 100 percent correct about the Christian's duty to love others. But sometimes, if someone is headed for destruction, you have to warn them.
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I’m sorry, but did God inform you of His plan for that person? We you present when God created Him? Do you know what challenges God laid out for him and his life? You [i]assume [/i] that you are here to help him pass his test of obedience. When he may be here to help you pass yours of Compassion and Humility. The reason why [i]hubris[/i] (spiritual pride) is a sin is because it is not for we humans to be able to see the whole truth of a situation. Our tendency is to only see a tiny portion of Reality and assume our tiny corner is all there is and the whole truth. Loving some one is the best way to empower them to change (Interventions). Shaming them and judging them usually just pushes them farther into that self-destructive or other destructive behavior. Though imo the Jude’s-Christian prohibition on homosexuality was more about tribal survival in a pre-industrial world and a harsh desert climate than genuine morality.
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Bearbeitet von Oddish43: 8/2/2019 10:30:40 PMOK... I wasn't speaking personally. Just trying to explain things from the OP's friend's perspective. It's easier to forgive someone when you understand them. I thought I was being very clear that I was not judging him, nor was I judging his friend. I don't have enough information, and as Matthew 7:1 reminds us, it's not my job. I advise you to reread your previous post. While you're not sitting in judgment of the OP, you are very much sitting in judgment of his former friend. Regarding homo- and bi-sexuality, I am very much on the fence. I'm not wiling to simply ignore the Bible, on the one hand. But, your statement about the historical reasons for the prohibition is a valid one. Further, in the Greco-Roman culture that was prevalent when the New Testament was written, the prevalent form of homosexuality involved men and boys, something that is considered despicable today. And lastly, from a medical perspective, gay sex can cause highly infection-prone physical injuries, which were frequently lethal in the pre-antibiotic world. God might have merely been protecting His children from harm. All that gives me even more reasons to leave this matter to God, and worry about managing my own life.
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I understand....and I'm speaking **hypothetically**. Simply using you as a stand-in to highlight the problems inherent in the point of view you were trying to (admittedly not very enthusiatically) defend. [quote] you are very much sitting in judgment of his former friend.[/quote] I simply pointed out his hypocrisy. He is as much of a sinner as his bisexual "friend"....and the argument that he is somehow a better CLASS of sinner being a hypocrite as opposed to being a homosexual is NOT a very persuasive argument to me. Nor apparently to Jesus with regards to standing in judgement and wanting to stone the Adulteress. [quote] I'm not wiling to simply ignore the Bible, [/quote] I'm not asking you to. In fact I'm exhorting the Christian to pay attention to it. Especially the **New** Testament. [quote]God might have merely been protecting His children from harm.[/quote] From sociology standpoint, the easiest way to transmit learning and culture in a pre-literate society (very few people ever learned to read and write back then) is to make it part of religious instruction. The biggest issue is that women died in childbirth. Infant mortality rates were high. Life was uncertain and often short. So anyone who wasn't about the business of procreation was a drain on limited group resources....and a luxury that a society living almost hand-to-mouth on the edge of a desert couldn't really afford. Whereas today the danger is overpopulation....if we go extinct it will likely be from out own actions. Not by underpopulating the planet by failure to engage in reproductively., ahem....fruitful...behavior. My point is that one is not required to abandon the notion that homosexuality is a sin as a Christian. Simply honor Jesus' instruction to love the sinner...and leave the matter of judgement to God.
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[quote]I’m sorry, but did God inform you of His plan for that person?[/quote] ......... I know kelly won't see this because he muted me, but having a broken view of a religion and spouting it as fact is just a bad idea. [quote]Loving some one is the best way to empower them to change (Interventions). Shaming them and judging them usually just pushes them farther into that self-destructive or other destructive behavior.[/quote] Exactly right. That's why; [u]Luke 17:3[/u] So watch yourselves. "If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them." [u]Matthew 18:15[/u] “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother." [u]Proverbs 27: 5-6[/u] "Better is open rebuke than hidden love. 6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; profuse are the kisses of an enemy." [u]Galatians 6:1[/u] Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. [u]Ephesians 5:11[/u] "Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them." As you can see, it's not about knowing God's plan for everyone else. It's about accountability.[quote]Though imo the Jude’s-Christian prohibition on homosexuality was more about tribal survival in a pre-industrial world and a harsh desert climate than genuine morality.[/quote] I’m sorry, but did God inform you of His plan for why he denounced homosexuality?
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Well said. You remind us of the very narrow tightrope that Christians must walk, reminding people of their bad choices but never failing to love them. And it's harder in today's society, when many people don't believe that homosexuality is wrong. OP's friend was trying to defend an unpopular position, and tell a friend things that he didn't want to hear. It's easy for such things to be misunderstood.
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... He also muted me lol... [spoiler]not included in the DLC[/spoiler]
